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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:53:06 -0700
From: Francis Xavier Villablanca <footlooseandfrancisfree...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...>
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] How does one get full article

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Paul,

It is in the first paragraph of the Methods and Materials. Specifically:
"Our analysis includes 186 sites, with counts from 1981*=E2=80=93*2016 (Fig=
. 1)."
They also "We filtered the full dataset to include only sites monitored at
least five years (see Supplement 6)." So, they used WMTC data.

Best, Francis Villablanca
San Luis Obispo

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Paul Cherubini <monarch...>
[western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...> wrote:

>
>
> As far as I can tell the authors didn=E2=80=99t explain how they came
> up with the =E2=80=9Cabundance index (millions of butterflies)=E2=80=9D f=
igures
> displayed in their graph:
> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/1042/vyJLUv.jpg
>
> In other words, didn=E2=80=99t explain what specific overwintering colony
> Thanksgiving count census data was used to estimate there
> were 10,000,000 monarchs overwintering along the California
> coast in 1997, but only 100,000 in 2002?
>
> And in the 1980=E2=80=99s what overwintering colony census data did
> the authors use to estimate there were 10,000,000 - 12,000,000
> monarchs overwintering along the California coast during the
> late fall of 1984-1987? My recollection is 1984-1987 were low to
> average population size years whereas 1989-1991were peak
> years - the opposite of what is displayed by the author=E2=80=99s
> graph.
>
> Paul Cherubini
> El Dorado, Calif.
>
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red the full dataset to include only sites monitored at least <span class=
=3D"gmail-s1">fi</span>ve years (see Supplement 6).&quot; So, they used WMT=
C data.</div><div><br></div><div>Best, Francis Villablanca</div><div>San Lu=
is Obispo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Paul Cherubini <a href=3D"mailto:monar=
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t;<a href=3D"mailto:<western_monarchs...>" target=3D"_blank">wes=
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<p><span style=3D"font-size:14px">As far as I can tell the authors di=
dn=E2=80=99t explain how they came</span></p><div><span style=3D"font-size:=
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ze:14px">In other words, didn=E2=80=99t explain what specific overwintering=
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pan style=3D"font-size:14px">along the California coast during the</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">late fall of 1984-1987?=C2=A0 My re=
collection is=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:14px">1984-1987</span><s=
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graph. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Paul Cherubini</span></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:14px">El Dorado, Calif.</span></div><p></p>

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