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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:21:17 -0700
From: 'Georgia Goldfarb, M.D.' <georgia.goldfarb...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...>
Subject: RE: [western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings

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First, do no harm. Seems like we have a lot of problems adhering to that.

Georgia=20

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From: <western_monarchs...> [mailto:western_monarchs@yahoogroups=
.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 11:03 AM
To: Western Monarch News <western_monarchs...>
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings

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Would be interesting to know if the solvent in these markers deteriorates t=
he wing scales and membrane, or if the damage comes from the scrubbing acti=
on of the felt tip, or both. At one point in time this was a popular metho=
d for marking insects.

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Reminds me of Fred Urquhart's first book (1960), and his description of a g=
entleman in Texas who put an address on monarch wings using an ink pad and =
stamp. Others in the past used various forms of paint and inks, dyes and so=
on. Even whiteout or Liquid Paper and nail polish!

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Older article on marking insects:=20

http://www.entnemdept.ufl.edu/walker/fe64p18.pdf

Don Davis

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

<http://bestanimations.com/Animals/Insects/Butterflys/animatedbutterfly-7=
.gif>=20

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On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, 1:51:54 PM EDT, Mona Miller <runmede...>=
m <mailto:<runmede...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs@yahoogro=
ups.com <mailto:<western_monarchs...> > wrote:=20

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[Attachment(s) from Mona Miller included below]=20

I saw this mentioned last year by Carol Pasternak the Monarch Crusader, she=
wanted to alert people to the disastrous affects of using permanent marker=
to mark Monarch butterflies' wings. Apparently, the area marked can cause=
the wing to tear and it leaves holes. This was brought to my attention aga=
in recently so I thought I would try to get the word out. No one who loves=
Monarchs wants to harm them.=20=20=20

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https://flic.kr/s/aHsm6jFXsG

These are before and after photos, just in case the photos don't post.=20=20

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Since reading Carol's post from last fall of 2016, I have not been marking =
Monarchs. I used to mark with a dot and have even marked co-ordinances or =
numbers. No more. Monarchs with torn wings will never be able to migrate.=
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It has also come to my attention that there are individuals using Monarchs =
to write the names of deceased loved ones as a memorial to them. These are=
wild creatures and should not be used in such a manner.=20

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Mona Miller
Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{
Raising Butterflies and Moths for Conservation (+ All Pollinators)
www.facebook.com/groups/butterflyandmothconservation/ <http://www.facebook.=
com/groups/butterflyandmothconservation/>=20=20=20




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<div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>First, do no harm.=C2=
=A0 Seems like we have a lot of problems adhering to that.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Georgia <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;col=
or:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> western_monarchs@ya=
hoogroups.com [mailto:<western_monarchs...>] <br><b>Sent:</b> We=
dnesday, October 04, 2017 11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Western Monarch News &lt;w=
<estern_monarchs...>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [western_monarch=
s] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p=
></o:p></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-text><div=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans=
-serif'>Would be interesting to know if the solvent in these markers deteri=
orates the wing scales and membrane, or if the damage comes from the scrubb=
ing action of the felt tip, or both.&nbsp; At one point in time this was a =
popular method for marking insects.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-famil=
y:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Reminds me of Fred Urquhart's first book (1960), =
and his description of a gentleman in Texas who put an address on monarch w=
ings using an ink pad and stamp. Others in the past used various forms of p=
aint and inks, dyes and so on. Even whiteout or Liquid Paper and nail polis=
h!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Older a=
rticle on marking insects: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dydpb800f4a5mson=
ormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><a href=3D"http://=
www.entnemdept.ufl.edu/walker/fe64p18.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ent=
nemdept.ufl.edu/walker/fe64p18.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div=
><p class=3Dydp5339a44fmsonormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:2=
4.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>Don Davis</span></b=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b>Toronto, Ontario, Can=
ada<br></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><img bord=
er=3D0 width=3D433 height=3D52 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://bestanimat=
ions.com/Animals/Insects/Butterflys/animatedbutterfly-7.gif" alt=3D"butterf=
ly animation"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp97cfc858ya=
hoo_quoted_7941324293"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, =
October 4, 2017, 1:51:54 PM EDT, Mona Miller <a href=3D"mailto:runmede@gmai=
l.com"><runmede...></a> [western_monarchs] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:weste=
<rn_monarchs...>"><western_monarchs...></a>&gt; wrote=
: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><div id=3Dydp97cfc858yiv4858986928><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A'>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dydp97cfc858yiv4858986928=
ygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dydp97cfc858yiv4858986928ygrp-msg><div id=3Dydp97cfc858=
yiv4858986928ygrp-text><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>[<a href=3D"#TopText" =
target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'text-decoration:none'>Attachment(s)</span>=
</a> from Mona Miller included below]</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I saw this mentioned last year by Carol=
Pasternak the Monarch Crusader, she wanted to alert people to the disastro=
us affects of using permanent marker to mark Monarch butterflies' wings.&nb=
sp; Apparently, the area marked can cause the wing to tear and it leaves ho=
les. This was brought to my attention again recently so I thought I would t=
ry to get the word out.&nbsp; No one who loves Monarchs wants to harm them.=
&nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href=3D"http=
s://flic.kr/s/aHsm6jFXsG" target=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/s/aHsm6jFXsG</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>These are bef=
ore and after photos, just in case the photos don't post.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Since reading Carol's post f=
rom last fall of 2016, I have not been marking Monarchs.&nbsp; I used to ma=
rk with a dot and have even marked co-ordinances or numbers.&nbsp; No more.=
Monarchs with torn wings will never be able to migrate.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>It has also come to my attention th=
at there are individuals using Monarchs to write the names of deceased love=
d ones as a memorial to them.&nbsp; These are wild creatures and should not=
be used in such a manner.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#2628=
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