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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:15:35 -0700
From: Stewart Wechsler <ecostewart...> [NorWestLeps] <NorWestLeps...>
Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Re: Opinions on a butterfly posted at iNaturalist (with link)

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And as Purplish Copper / L. helloides is the only other likely option that
I can remember for the area in question, I can say it certainly doesn't
look like a Purplish Copper either.

-Stewart

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Stewart Wechsler <ecostewart...>
wrote:

> Not that you all need another opinion, but:
>
> While I don't have all of the diagnostic features of all of the possible
> Coppers down, nor do I remember what all of the possible coppers are for
> the area in question, I would say it is definitely no Celastrina / Azure,
> and indeed looks like a Lycaena / Copper, and in spite of my weak knowled=
ge
> of what I need to see to call it mariposa, it looks like what I had
> familiarized myself with as L. mariposa.
>
> -Stewart
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:12 PM, 'Norbert Kondla' <nkondla...>
> [NorWestLeps] <NorWestLeps...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Will be interesting to see the paper. What I have seen in my study
>> material is that current subspecies names do not adequately capture the
>> geographic variation in western Canada. So some additional names would b=
e
>> useful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Norbert Kondla
>>
>> Rimbey, Alberta
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/Norbert.Kondla
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* <NorWestLeps...> [mailto:<NorWestLeps...>]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:05 PM
>> *To:* <NorWestLeps...>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NorWestLeps] Re: Opinions on a butterfly posted at
>> iNaturalist (with link)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I talked to Bob Pyle the other day. He said that he is about to publish =
a
>> paper with others(?), on something like 8-10 subspecies of Mariposa
>> Coppers, maybe a cline(?) from all over the PNW as well as parts of Brit=
ish
>> Columbia and Alberta I think. It will interesting to see what he has to =
say
>> about this species.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And as Purplish Copper / L. helloides is the only other li=
kely option that I can remember for the area in question, I can say it cert=
ainly doesn&#39;t look like a Purplish Copper either.<div><br></div><div>-S=
tewart</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Stewart Wechsler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<ecostewart...>" target=3D"_blank"><ecostewart...>=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">N=
ot that you all need another opinion, but:<div><br></div><div>While I don&#=
39;t have all of the diagnostic features of all of the possible Coppers dow=
n, nor do I remember what all of the possible coppers are for the area in q=
uestion, I would say it is definitely no Celastrina / Azure, and indeed loo=
ks like a Lycaena / Copper, and in spite of my weak knowledge of what I nee=
d to see to call it mariposa, it looks like what I had familiarized myself =
with as L. mariposa.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br=
></div><div>-Stewart</div></font></span></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><=
div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:12 PM, &#39;Norbert Kondla&#39; <a href=3D"mailto:=
<nkondla...>" target=3D"_blank"><nkondla...></a> [NorWestLeps] <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>" target=
=3D"_blank"><NorWestLeps...></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
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Section1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f4=
97d">Will be interesting to see the paper. What I have seen in my study mat=
erial is that current subspecies names do not adequately capture the geogra=
phic variation in western Canada. So some additional names would be useful.=
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</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color=
:#1f497d">Rimbey, Alberta<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
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>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/Norbert.Kondla" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Norbe<wbr>rt.Kondla</a><u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;c=
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pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> <a href=3D"mailto:NorWestLeps@yahoogrou=
ps.com" target=3D"_blank"><NorWestLeps...></a> [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>" target=3D"_blank">NorWestLeps@yahoo=
group<wbr>s.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:05 PM<br=
><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>" target=3D"_blank=
"><NorWestLeps...></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NorWestLeps] Re: =
Opinions on a butterfly posted at iNaturalist (with link)<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div></div><span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><div id=3D"m_-4070318734009720=
282m_-3820960462595288398ygrp-mlmsg"><div id=3D"m_-4070318734009720282m_-38=
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5288398ygrp-text"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I talked to Bob Pyle the othe=
r day. He said that he is about to publish a paper with others(?), on somet=
hing like 8-10 subspecies of Mariposa Coppers, maybe a cline(?) from all ov=
er the PNW as well as parts of British Columbia and Alberta I think. It wil=
l interesting to see what he has to say about this species.<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
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