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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 21:20:13 -0400
From: Mona Miller <runmede...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...>
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings

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Paul,

Do you have documentation to prove this?

Let's change the way we do things, to keep from harming Monarchs.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Paul Cherubini <monarch...>
[western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...> wrote:

>
>
> Tens of thousands of wild caught overwintering monarchs have been
> marked with permanent markers by multiple research groups in California
> since 1981 for mark-release-recapture studies. And hundreds of them
> were recaptured over and over again during the period October to
> February. In all that time no researcher ever noted the markers
> "Destroy Monarch Wings=E2=80=9D between October and February.
>
> So that=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m wondering if the wing damage occurs onl=
y if
> a newly emerged monarch or one that is only a few days old
> is marked? Or if it occurs if too much pressure is applied to
> the wing with the felt tip marker?
>
> Paul Cherubini
> El Dorado, Calif.
>
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>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Paul,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Do you have documentation t=
o prove this?=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Let&#39;s change the way we do thing=
s, to keep from harming Monarchs.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 6:=
28 PM, Paul Cherubini <a href=3D"mailto:<monarch...>"><monarch...>=
t</a> [western_monarchs] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:western_mo=
<narchs...>" target=3D"_blank"><western_monarchs...><=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


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<p><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Tens of thousands of =
wild caught overwintering monarchs have been</span></font></p><div><font co=
lor=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">marked with permanent markers by multipl=
e research groups=C2=A0</span></font><span style=3D"font-size:15px;backgrou=
nd-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if">in California=C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:15px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif">since 1981 for mark-release-recapture studies.=C2=A0 And hundreds=
=C2=A0</span><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">of them=C2=A0</span=
></font></div><div><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">were recaptur=
ed over and over again=C2=A0</span></font><span style=3D"font-size:15px;bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,san=
s-serif">during the period October to=C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D=
"font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(31,73,125);font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif">February.=C2=A0 In all that time no researcher=
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ever noted the marke=
rs</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=C2=A0&quot;<=
/span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:15px">Destroy Monarch Wings=E2=80=9D between October and February.<=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:15px"><br></span></div><div><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=
=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px">So that=E2=80=99s w=
hy I=E2=80=99m wondering if the wing damage occurs only if</span></font></d=
iv><div><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D=
"font-size:15px">a newly emerged monarch or one that is only a few days old=
=C2=A0</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, san=
s-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px">is marked? =C2=A0 Or if it occurs i=
f too much pressure is applied to</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#1=
f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px">the wing=
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div><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
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