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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:33:02 -0700
From: 'Georgia Goldfarb, M.D.' <georgia.goldfarb...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...>
Subject: RE: [western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings

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In a quick scan of article, they were not looking at the effect of markers =
on monarch health =E2=80=93 just population and distribution. So no conclu=
sion can be drawn from this article on the effect of markers on monarchs.

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From: <western_monarchs...> [mailto:western_monarchs@yahoogroups=
.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 04:48 AM
To: Western Monarch News <western_monarchs...>
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings

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This study does not say that all the individuals were marked, just marking =
and tagging was used. It does not ascertain whether individuals showed any=
damage from marking or what condition their wings were in. The study tabl=
e on Page 29 of the study says of the 1,550 Monarchs that were tagged 41 we=
re found. How many of those individuals were also marked and what was the =
condition of their wings? I think more study needs to be done. Why mark b=
utterflies wings with permanent marker, if it is causing the wings to deter=
iorate. For reference: http://www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_research/Monarc=
h%20Report_2004.pdf

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On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Paul Cherubini <monarch...> <mailto:m=
<onarch...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...> <ma=
ilto:<western_monarchs...> > wrote:

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Paul, Do you have documentation to prove this?=20


Below is one of many reports about the Sharpie marking of thousands of over=
wintering
monarchs: http://www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_research/Monarch%20Report_2004=
.pdf

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page 6: =E2=80=9Cwe also marked nearly 3,000 individuals with a Sharpie pen=
in
one of the marginal cells of the right hindwing. This was done by
undergraduate students from a Cal Poly Animal Behavior class=20
conducted by [Professor] Dennis Frey on five sessions in November
and December 2003:

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Here=E2=80=99s a report about Sharpie marking of summer monarchs

http://tinyurl.com/ya7446lr

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"two Sharpie markers, one blue (male), one red (female) to=20

differentiate sampled butterflies from a distance by a wing=20

symbol (Figure 2)"

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Paul Cherubini

El Dorado, Calif





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<div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>In a quick scan of arti=
cle, they were not looking at the effect of markers on monarch health =E2=
=80=93 just population and distribution.=C2=A0 So no conclusion can be draw=
n from this article on the effect of markers on monarchs.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calib=
ri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:=
#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-=
top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</sp=
an></b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> w=
<estern_monarchs...> [mailto:<western_monarchs...>] <=
br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 05, 2017 04:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Western M=
onarch News &lt;<western_monarchs...>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
[western_monarchs] Permanent Marker Destroys Monarch Wings<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=
=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This study does not say that all the=
individuals were marked, just marking and tagging was used.&nbsp; It does =
not ascertain whether individuals showed any damage from marking or what co=
ndition their wings were in.&nbsp; The study table on Page 29 of the study =
says of the 1,550 Monarchs that were tagged 41 were found.&nbsp; How many o=
f those individuals were also marked and what was the condition of their wi=
ngs?&nbsp; I think more study needs to be done.&nbsp; Why mark butterflies =
wings with permanent marker, if it is causing the wings to deteriorate.&nbs=
p; For reference:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_=
research/Monarch%20Report_2004.pdf">http://www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_rese=
arch/Monarch%20Report_2004.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
/div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal>On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Paul Cherubini <a href=3D"mailto:=
<monarch...>"><monarch...></a> [western_monarchs] &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:<western_monarchs...>" target=3D"_blank">western_monarchs=
@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:n=
one;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'=
>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div id=3D"m_-2955758971046345025ygrp-mlmsg"><div id=
=3D"m_-2955758971046345025ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"m_-2955758971046345025ygrp-t=
ext"><div><div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'>Paul, Do you have documentat=
ion to prove this?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'background:white'><br>Below is one of many reports about the Sharpie=
marking of thousands of overwintering<br>monarchs:&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://=
www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_research/Monarch%20Report_2004.pdf" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ventanaws.org/pdf/about_research/Monarch%20Report_2004.pd=
f</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whi=
te'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backgroun=
d:white'>page 6: =E2=80=9Cwe also marked nearly 3,000 individuals with a Sh=
arpie pen in<br>one of the marginal cells of the right hindwing.&nbsp; This=
was done by<br>undergraduate students from a Cal Poly Animal Behavior clas=
s&nbsp;<br>conducted by [Professor] Dennis Frey on five sessions in Novembe=
r<br>and December 2003:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'>Here=E2=80=99s a report about Sharpie marking of=
summer monarchs<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'bac=
kground:white'><b><a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/ya7446lr" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://tinyurl.com/ya7446lr</a></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b>&quot;</b>two Sharpie markers, o=
ne blue (male), one red (female) to&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'>differentiate sampled butterflies f=
rom a distance by a wing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'background:white'>symbol (Figure 2)&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b>Paul Cherubini</=
b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'=
><b>El Dorado, Calif</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-=
- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mona Miller<br>Herndon, VA (USA)=
}i{ }i{ }i{<br>Raising Butterflies and Moths for Conservation (+ All Polli=
nators)<br><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/groups/butterflyandmothconser=
vation/" target=3D"_blank">www.facebook.com/groups/butterflyandmothconserva=
tion/</a> &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
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