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Date: 1 Dec 2017 03:50:30 -0000
From: <se-odonata...>
Subject: [se-odonata] File - rules and suggestions


Welcome to SE-Odonata, a group for lovers of Damselflies and Dragonflies of the Southeastern US. My name is Alex Netherton, the founder and owner of the group. I am a Biologist and Field Naturalist, and have had an interest in Odonates since a boy. The group was founded because a few college professors and Ode enthusiasts were trying to make a mailing list, and the list got too unwieldy for peoples e-mail programs, so I offered to start it on a list server that has since gone out of business. It ended up on Yahoo around 2001.


We have never had any problems until some controversy about "Creation Science" came up, which I (and a number of other members) feel to be religious based, and has no place in a scientific group. Arguing with Biologists about how the earth was created is not only rude, but is religious proselytizing, and I will not tolerate it. If the concept of evolution offends you, I suggest you find another group, because it will be discussed here from time to time. This is not to say that we are not spiritual or religious; to the contrary. However, this group is not for religious discussion.

Occasionally, a person has a long signature, sometimes advertizing a religious or political point of view. I respectfully suggest that signature files on this group are kept to four lines, and contain:
1.) Your name and title (if any, such as PhD if you wish)
2.) Your locality; not your address, but the general area in which you happen to reside.
3.) Your affiliation, if any, with any educational institution, eg. "N.C. State University professor". This will help us understand your credentials.
4. Perhaps, years Dragonfly and Damselfly hunting?
None of this is set in stone (as it is, as a matter of fact, on Carolinabirds, where you MUST sign with name, email, and locality), but PLEASE, numbers 1 and 2, just so we have an idea.

I have realized that I can edit posts, and those who have a signature or a portion of the post that is possibly offensive may find themselves moderated and their posts edited. Please understand; if someone puts up a rambling signature from Al Quran or The Bhagavad Gita or even Buddhavacana that offends you, you might complain, right? Think about it. I have strong religious and Spiritual views too, but you have to ask me about them, and I still might not share; my Spiritual life is mine.

Political sigs are also not cool; I have seen some sigs putting words in Founder's mouths, seeming to say that religion is important to America; I refer you to the First Amendment. I also (not on this group, yet)seen signatures or messages attacking our President or politicians. Come on...


Flaming and bullying will not be tolerated, whether in the group, or directly to another member. If I find out about it, you are gone. No discussion, no First Amendment. Sorry, but I am the list owner, and I can make the rules; the First Amendment does not apply here. Anybody not allow profanity in the house? Same here. You can cuss and swear and threaten out in the street, but if you come in my yard doing it, I will throw you out. This group is the collective yard of all of us; we treat each other with respect.
I have made it difficult to become a member, requiring people to tell me about themselves and tell me why they wish to be members of this group; this is to stop the spammers who populate unregulated Yahoo groups. Spam once and you are gone.

Just remember that this group is about the pursuit of Dragonflies, Damselflies, and good days in the field!

The final rule is, ENJOY YOURSELF and share your Odonate sightings!


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