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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 19:24:15 -0400
From: Jeff Pippen <jeffpippen9...> [SoWestLep] <SoWestLep-noreply...>
Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] RFI: Butterfly taxonomy

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I=E2=80=99ll throw my 2 cents worth in here. I think the Pelham Catalog is=
the most widely available and accepted, up-to-date butterfly scientific ta=
xonomic list for North America north of Mexico. It=E2=80=99s regularly upd=
ated and is available here (latest update April 2019):

http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm <http://www.butterflieso=
famerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm>

For common names, it makes sense to me at least, to use the NABA common nam=
es as much as possible in order to =E2=80=9Cbridge the gap=E2=80=9D between=
=E2=80=9Ccollectors=E2=80=9D and "watchers=E2=80=9D rather than widen it. =
Serious lepidopterists will use scientific names anyway, and using NABA co=
mmon names (which are more widely available and known) makes it easier to t=
alk with and get =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D butterfly enthusiasts interested. W=
ith luck, we can get them collecting or helping with various research and m=
onitoring projects, whether collecting or not.

Cheers,
Jeff

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Jeffrey S. Pippen
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http://www.jeffpippen.com/

> On Jul 7, 2019, at 4:58 PM, <mattbrownbirds...> [SoWestLep] <SoWestL=
<ep-noreply...> wrote:
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> Greetings SouthWestLepsters-
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> I apologize if this is a na=C3=AFve query but I've done a little looking =
around and I'd like to know what is the most widely and currently accepted =
list of the taxonomic order of common and scientific names of butterflies,=
including recognizable subspecies. The Pelham catalog is a bit unwieldy an=
d, for me at least, difficult to follow (and 2014 is the most recent versio=
n I can find). Is the catalog even in the most widely accepted sequence? It=
places Hesperiidae first with Nymphalids last, as other more scientific so=
urces do (including RAB's partially alphabetic Annotated Checklist of AZ Bu=
tterflies), but reverses the position of skippers found in more public sour=
ces such as field-guides and the NABA Checklist of North American Butterfli=
es 2.4 (also, I think, from 2014). I get starting with more colorful and fl=
ashy groupings and putting skippers last in a field-guide and checklist for=
convenience (and convention), but is there any scholarly validity in doing=
so? NABA seems to recognize itself as the source of acceptable current nom=
enclature, and LepSoc has nothing available to non-members (I guess I could=
join and see what they say).
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> So I'm just wondering if there has been compiled by anyone (other than Pe=
lham and his opus) a "simple" list of currently and widely used species and=
subspecies names, both common and scientific, in the most recently deliber=
ated taxonomic order. Maybe it's Glassberg et. al.'s NABA list, but I don't=
know if it's in the most academically accepted sequence. Thanks to anyone =
who can supply info, or even just read this.
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> Matt Brown
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> Patagonia, AZ
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> <mattbrownbirds...> <mailto:<mattbrownbirds...>
> flickr: https://flic.kr/ps/zUTe8 <https://flic.kr/ps/zUTe8>
> lifebirds.com <http://lifebirds.com/>
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I=E2=80=99ll throw my 2 cents worth in here. &nbsp;I think the Pelham Catal=
og is the most widely available and accepted, up-to-date butterfly scientif=
ic taxonomic list for North America north of Mexico. &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s reg=
ularly updated and is available here (latest update April 2019):<div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.butterflie=
sofamerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm" class=3D"">http://www.butterfliesofamerica.c=
om/US-Can-Cat.htm</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=
=3D"">For common names, it makes sense to me at least, to use the NABA comm=
on names as much as possible in order to =E2=80=9Cbridge the gap=E2=80=9D b=
etween =E2=80=9Ccollectors=E2=80=9D and "watchers=E2=80=9D rather than wide=
n it. &nbsp;Serious lepidopterists will use scientific names anyway, and us=
ing NABA common names (which are more widely available and known) makes it =
easier to talk with and get =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D butterfly enthusiasts int=
erested. &nbsp;With luck, we can get them collecting or helping with variou=
s research and monitoring projects, whether collecting or not.</div><div cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"">=
Jeff</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=
=3D"">
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break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">--</d=
iv><div class=3D"">Jeffrey S. Pippen</div><div class=3D"">Durham, NC&nbsp;<=
/div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.jeffpippen.com/" class=3D"">http=
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On=
Jul 7, 2019, at 4:58 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:<mattbrownbirds...>" class=
=3D""><mattbrownbirds...></a> [SoWestLep] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:SoWest=
<Lep-noreply...>" class=3D""><SoWestLep-noreply...></=
a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">=
<div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvet=
ica, clean, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font=
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ck-placeholder"></div><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;=
" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">Greetings Sout=
hWestLepsters-</span></p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1=
em;" class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">I apologize=
if this is a na=C3=AFve query but I've done a little looking around and I'=
d like to know what is the most widely and currently accepted list of&nbsp;=
the taxonomic order of common and scientific names of butterflies, includi=
ng recognizable subspecies. The Pelham catalog is a bit unwieldy and, for m=
e at least, difficult to follow (and 2014 is the most recent version I can =
find). Is the catalog even in the most widely accepted sequence? It places =
Hesperiidae first with Nymphalids last, as other<span style=3D"line-height:=
1.22em; float: none; background-color: transparent; font-family: 'Helvetic=
a Neue', Helvetica, Arial, san-serif, Roboto; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font=
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s: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacin=
g: normal; text-align: left;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-spa=
ce">&nbsp;</span>more scientific sources do (including<span class=3D"Apple-=
converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span>RAB's partially alphabetic Annotated C=
hecklist of AZ Butterflies), but reverses the position of skippers found in=
more public sources such as field-guides and the NABA Checklist of North A=
merican Butterflies<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></spa=
n>2.4 (also, I think, from 2014). I get starting with more colorful and fla=
shy groupings and putting skippers last in a field-guide and checklist for =
convenience (and convention), but is there any scholarly validity in doing =
so? NABA seems to recognize itself as the source of acceptable current nome=
nclature, and LepSoc has nothing available to non-members (I guess I could =
join and see what they say).</p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0p=
x 0px 1em;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></p><p=
style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=3D"">So I'm just=
wondering if there has been compiled by anyone (other than Pelham and his =
opus) a "simple" list of currently and widely used species and subspecies n=
ames, both common and scientific, in the most recently deliberated taxonomi=
c order. Maybe it's Glassberg et. al.'s NABA list, but I don't know if it's=
in the most academically accepted sequence. Thanks to anyone who can suppl=
y info, or even just read this.</p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin:=
0px 0px 1em;" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></p=
><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=3D"">Matt Bro=
wn</p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=3D"">Pat=
agonia, AZ</p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=
=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:<mattbrownbirds...>" style=3D"line-height: 1.2=
2em; font-family: Verdana;" class=3D""><mattbrownbirds...></a></p><p s=
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r/ps/zUTe8</a></p><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" cl=
ass=3D""><a href=3D"http://lifebirds.com/" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; fo=
nt-family: Verdana;" class=3D"">lifebirds.com</a></p><div style=3D"line-hei=
ght: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-pla=
ceholder"></div></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 25=
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