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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 16:21:24 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Airlie

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Regarding Salman's comment (underline mine):

" There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern
Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as
captive; *I believe they get them from states to our south (probably
Florida)."*

and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsible
of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies that are imported,
or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that are free-flying.
Of course, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly
houses. I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have
no way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that
butterflies cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any
other means.

Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, *I and others
will want clarity on this matter,* and the "dozen or more" Zebra Longwings
seen there a few days ago. Recall that there was a natural brood explosion
of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, which certainly has no
butterfly house or deals in releases. And, I am not aware of other reports
-- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or Great Southern Whites.
And, lastly, at least Zebra Longwings often are seen around yards and
gardens along the coast, more so in SC of course. Thus, a report of one at
Airlie doesn't raise my eyebrow and even 12 doesn't either, as long as a
free-flying adult laid eggs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new
brood.

More info?? Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- mentioning
"Butterflies, all native to North Carolina ,,,, Species like ... Monarch,
Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowtail ...:. " Heck, would we
consider Zebra Longwing and Great Southern White "native" to NC?

Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/butterfly-h=
ouse/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAGTkoI6qmfqx=
4aahNjGAA$ >

Harry LeGrand



On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:

> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butterfly house. On the other =
hand, it
> also has good habitat for Longwings and Great Southern Whites straying fr=
om
> the south.
>
>
>
> Derb Carter
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Regarding Salman&#39;s comment (underline mine):<br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>&quot;
There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern=20
Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as=20
captive; <u>I believe they get them from states to our south (probably=20
Florida).&quot;</u></div><div><u><br></u></div><div>and Derb&#39;s regardin=
g a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsible of a facility (priv=
ate or public) to release butterflies that are imported, or have imported l=
ife stages to &quot;hatch out&quot; adults that are free-flying.=C2=A0 Of c=
ourse, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly houses.=
=C2=A0 I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have no=
way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that butterflies =
cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any other means.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC dat=
abase, <b>I and others will want clarity on this matter,</b> and the &quot;=
dozen or more&quot; Zebra Longwings seen there a few days ago.=C2=A0 Recall=
that there was a natural brood explosion of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon S=
tate Park, which certainly has no butterfly house or deals in releases.=C2=
=A0 And, I am not aware of other reports -- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra=
Longwings or Great Southern Whites.=C2=A0 And, lastly, at least Zebra Long=
wings often are seen around yards and gardens along the coast, more so in S=
C of course.=C2=A0 Thus, a report of one at Airlie doesn&#39;t raise my eye=
brow and even 12 doesn&#39;t either, as long as a free-flying adult laid eg=
gs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new brood.</div><div><br></div=
><div>More info??=C2=A0 Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- =
mentioning &quot;Butterflies, all native to North Carolina=C2=A0 ,,,, Speci=
es like=C2=A0 ... Monarch, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowta=
il ...:. &quot; =C2=A0 Heck, would we consider Zebra Longwing and Great Sou=
thern White &quot;native&quot; to NC?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/b=
utterfly-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAG=
TkoI6qmfqx4aahNjGAA$">Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens</a>

</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><u></u></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:<derbc...>" target=3D"_blank"><derbc...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butterfly =
house.=C2=A0 On the other hand, it also has good habitat for Longwings and =
Great Southern Whites straying from the south.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derb Carter<u></u><u></u></p>
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