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| List: Carolina-Leps Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2026 21:23:12 -0400 From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...> Subject: Re: Aiken County, SC |
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--000000000000160fea065052d8eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad to know you agreed with me! That odd "smeared blue" color on the dorsal side of the male wing is something I don't recall seeing on azures in NC. Harry L. On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...>= m> wrote: > Hi Harry: > > Wow, yes, the smooth blue on the upperside is an effect of the "ladon > scale" that overlays the blue scales. The Bamberg County individual is t= he > most unique individual, in that it appears to be a male with the shadow o= f > the female forewing marks. Probably due to concentration of the "ladon > scales" on the lighter portion of the forwing. County record! > > Both sets of images are well within the April flight window. > > Great shots, thanks for sharing these. > > Harry Pavulaan > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2026 12:07 AM > *To:* Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...> > *Cc:* <kastners...> <kastners...>; Carolinaleps < > <carolinaleps...> > *Subject:* Re: Aiken County, SC > > Harry P (and others), > > Here are the two sets of photos that I referred to a day ago when I was > away from my computer. These are on iNaturalist, and I THINK they have > potential for *Celastrina iryna:* > > Bamberg County, April 22, 2026: > > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/352116374 > > Aiken County, April 18, 2026, IDed as a Summer Azure, but not looking lik= e > any I've seen in NC! > > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/350807032 > > Both have a very smooth blue color above -- almost "smeared smooth", and = I > do not detect white veins. The second one shows the underside being quite > white with barely a few black "pepper dots". > > I expect folks can find more worth a check on iNat, by entering > "Celastrina" and "South Carolina" in the search. > > What do folks say about these? > > Harry LeGrand > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 7:19=E2=80=AFPM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav@hotmail.= com> > wrote: > > Harry, all: > > BAMONA is adding Celastrina iryna (Iryna's Azure). It might be added > already. I'm sending them a photo that Pierre Howard took, some years ag= o > that I misidentified as "Holly Azure" for lack of better label. If anyon= e > is subscribed to BAMONA, send images directly to Kelly Lotts, in case the= y > have not yet posted the entry. > > For most butterfly observers and photographers, the best time is mid-Apri= l > in South Carolina, though the species is apparently bivoltine in Florida > and possibly additional partial broods as far north as Atlanta. The > species is nearly pure white beneath, whiter than the summer form of Summ= er > Azure, though some are nearly as strongly patterned as Summer. The key > identification marker, of course, is the overlay of "Spring Azure" scales > on top of the dorsal blue scales typical of Summer Azure, making C. iryna > the third Celastrina species with the unique dorsal wing scale structure = of > males. I am describing a fourth in coming weeks. > > If anyone has images they need confirmation on, feel free to send to me. > I am looking for additional county records and any new hostplant > associations. So far, Itea virginiensis (Virginia Sweetspire) is the onl= y > known host but there are certainly others. > > Harry Pavulaan (the "other" Harry) > > > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2026 4:03 AM > *To:* <kastners...> <kastners...>; Harry Pavulaan < > <harrypav...> > *Cc:* Carolinaleps <carolinaleps...> > *Subject:* Re: Aiken County, SC > > Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC records. INat has > not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and South Carolina. > I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with open wings to see a > medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One w= as > in Aiken County. I am not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but = it > would behoove folks to check these out on iNat. One or both show the > almost white underside ground color with few dots. I suspect these and a > few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be this species. > > It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in > April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, an= d > so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be secon= d > brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished. > > Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry! > > PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers/v= etters should add > their comments, even if the records seem to be only documented to > Celastrina species for now. I am not sure how iNat staff go back into th= e > database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species level > records get changed to the full species name. Thoughts on that?? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <carolinaleps...> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26 > 10:40-3:35 10:40-11:40 Sunny 77-87 degrees > > Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure. > > Eastern Tiger Swallowtail 4 > Spicebush Swallowtail 3 > Palamedes Swallowtail 11 > Sleepy Orange 3 > *Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure 6* (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) > Variegated Fritillary 6 > American Lady 1 > American Snout 1 > Common Buckeye 28 > Red-spotted Purple 3 > Appalachian Brown 1 > Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing 1 > Duskywing species 1 > > Marty Kastner > Blythewood, SC > > > > --000000000000160fea065052d8eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Glad to know you agreed with me!=C2=A0 That odd "= ;smeared blue" color on the dorsal side of the male wing is something = I don't recall seeing on azures in NC.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry L= .</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir= =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM Harry= Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>"><harrypav...><= /a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><= div class=3D"msg1725833056931829443"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Hi Harry:</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Wow, yes, the smooth blue on the upperside is an effect of the "ladon = scale" that overlays the blue scales.=C2=A0 The Bamberg County individ= ual is the most unique individual, in that it appears to be a male with the= shadow of the female forewing marks.=C2=A0 Probably due to concentration of the "ladon scales" on the lighter portio= n of the forwing.=C2=A0 County record!</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Both sets of images are well within the April flight window.</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Great shots, thanks for sharing these.</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Harry Pavulaan</div> <div id=3D"m_1725833056931829443Signature"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <p style=3D"margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em">Sent from <a href=3D"http://a= ka.ms/weboutlook" originalSrc=3D"http://aka.ms/weboutlook" id=3D"m_17258330= 56931829443OWAe89c9263-03d6-edc7-963e-0d9474850436" style=3D"margin-top:0px= ;margin-bottom:0px" target=3D"_blank"> Outlook</a><br> </p> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt= ;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt= ;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <b>From:</b>=C2=A0Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>"= target=3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>><br> <b>Sent:</b>=C2=A0Sunday, April 26, 2026 12:07 AM<br> <b>To:</b>=C2=A0Harry Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>" = target=3D"_blank"><harrypav...></a>><br> <b>Cc:</b>=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:<kastners...>" target=3D"_blank">kastn= <ers...></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:<kastners...>" target=3D"_blank">k= <astners...></a>>; Carolinaleps <<a href=3D"mailto:carolinaleps@du= ke.edu" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b>=C2=A0Re: Aiken County, SC </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt= ;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Harry P (and others),</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Here are the two sets of photos that I referre= d to a day ago when=C2=A0I was away from my computer. These are on iNatural= ist, and I THINK they have potential for <i>Celastrina iryna:</i></div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Bamberg County, April 22, 2026:</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observa= tions/352116374" originalSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/35= 2116374" id=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWA663a9125-5d2f-b378-c12b-a960a5951b39= " target=3D"_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/352116374</a><= /div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Aiken County, April 18, 2026, IDed as a Summer= Azure, but not looking like any I've seen in NC!</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observa= tions/350807032" originalSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/35= 0807032" id=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWAe9a18eab-7a4c-a130-bd40-6589ff3a8557= " target=3D"_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/350807032</a><= /div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Both have a very smooth=C2=A0blue color above = -- almost "smeared smooth", and I do not detect white veins. The = second one shows the underside being quite white with barely a few black &q= uot;pepper dots".</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">I expect folks can find more worth a check on = iNat, by entering "Celastrina" and=C2=A0"South Carolina"= ; in the search.</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">What do folks say about these?</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Harry LeGrand</div> <div><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 7:19=E2=80=AFPM Harry = Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>" id=3D"m_17258330569318= 29443OWAb1da9685-8798-5cc1-bcab-b7437e3c09be" target=3D"_blank">harrypav@ho= tmail.com</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:= 1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Harry, all:</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> BAMONA is adding Celastrina iryna (Iryna's Azure).=C2=A0 It might be ad= ded already.=C2=A0 I'm sending them a photo that Pierre Howard took, so= me years ago that I misidentified as "Holly Azure" for lack of be= tter label.=C2=A0 If anyone is subscribed to BAMONA, send images directly to Kelly Lotts, in case they have not yet posted the entry.</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> For most butterfly observers and photographers, the best time is mid-April = in South Carolina, though the species is apparently bivoltine in Florida an= d possibly additional partial broods as far north as Atlanta.=C2=A0 The spe= cies is nearly pure white beneath, whiter than the summer form of Summer Azure, though some are nearly as strongly p= atterned as Summer.=C2=A0 The key identification marker, of course, is the = overlay of "Spring Azure" scales on top of the dorsal blue scales= typical of Summer Azure, making C. iryna the third Celastrina species with the unique dorsal wing scale structure of males.= =C2=A0 I am describing a fourth in coming weeks.</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> If anyone has images they need confirmation on, feel free to send to me.=C2= =A0 I am looking for additional county records and any new hostplant associ= ations.=C2=A0 So far, Itea virginiensis (Virginia Sweetspire) is the only k= nown host but there are certainly others.</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Harry Pavulaan (the "other" Harry)</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div id=3D"m_1725833056931829443x_m_-1721307231246937522Signature"> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <p style=3D"direction:ltr;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em">Sent from <a hr= ef=3D"http://aka.ms/weboutlook" originalSrc=3D"http://aka.ms/weboutlook" id= =3D"m_1725833056931829443OWA83d4b7c7-fff1-0b1d-8898-da0d0a19a93f" style=3D"= margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target=3D"_blank"> Outlook</a></p> </div> <hr style=3D"direction:ltr;display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_1725833056931829443x_m_-1721307231246937522divRplyFwdMsg"> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;c= olor:rgb(0,0,0)"> <b>From:</b>=C2=A0Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>"= id=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWA6a95fc57-814a-6649-b2a0-74e7d5b6338b" target= =3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>><br> <b>Sent:</b>=C2=A0Saturday, April 25, 2026 4:03 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:<kastners...>" id=3D"m_1725833056931829443O= WAf15fd487-5d9e-d8b5-7643-c6a03c851ef8" target=3D"_blank"> <kastners...></a>=C2=A0<<a href=3D"mailto:<kastners...>" id=3D"m_1= 725833056931829443OWAd526b2b9-e4b5-ea52-9920-8469b77a4d8e" target=3D"_blank= "><kastners...></a>>; Harry Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:harrypav@h= otmail.com" id=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWA64cca7ba-45d7-8265-482f-cb073a7a6= e45" target=3D"_blank"><harrypav...></a>><br> <b>Cc:</b>=C2=A0Carolinaleps <<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" i= d=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWAaa1c47bc-4c37-fa5b-1643-69831a4c2a92" target= =3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b>=C2=A0Re: Aiken County, SC</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">=C2=A0</div> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for po= ssible SC records. INat has not yet accepted the species, so I entered Cela= strina and South Carolina.=C2=A0 I saw at least 2 records of males in April= 2026 with open wings to see a medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One was in Ai= ken County. I am not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but it woul= d behoove folks to check these out on iNat. =C2=A0 One or both show the alm= ost white underside ground color with few dots.=C2=A0 I suspect these and a few others from the central to SW pa= rt of SC in April to be this species. =C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">It is not known From NC and I have never seen = top side male photos in April in the state outside the mountains with these= solid blue colors, and so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh on= es should now be second brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished.=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry!</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly I= ryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers/vetters should add their comments, even if the re= cords seem to be only documented to Celastrina species for now.=C2=A0 I am = not sure how iNat staff go back into the database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species level records get ch= anged to the full species name.=C2=A0 Thoughts on that??</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br> </div> <blockquote> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <a href= =3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" id=3D"m_1725833056931829443OWAc328efb3-b8= 3d-d1fe-700d-ac821e89f32c" target=3D"_blank"> <carolinaleps...></a>=C2=A0wrote:<br> <br> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote> <div style=3D"direction:ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> 10:40-3:35=C2=A0 =C2=A010:40-11:40=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sunny 77-87 degrees</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure.</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Eastern Tiger Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A04</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Spicebush Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Palamedes Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A011</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Sleepy Orange=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <b>Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure=C2=A0 =C2=A06</b>=C2=A0(vetted by Harry Pavulaan)<= /div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Variegated Fritillary=C2=A0 =C2=A06</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> American Lady=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> American Snout=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Common Buckeye=C2=A0 =C2=A028</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Red-spotted Purple=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Appalachian Brown=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Duskywing species=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Marty Kastner</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> Blythewood, SC</div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz= e:16px"> <br> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </div></blockquote></div> --000000000000160fea065052d8eb-- |
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