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| List: Carolina-Leps Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2026 11:26:38 -0400 From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Iryna=E2=80=99s_Azure_=28vetted_by_Harry_Pavulaan=29_for_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?_Greenville_County=2C_SC_record=2E?= |
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--00000000000058a635065072bee5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a bit concerned that the ground color of this NC individual is light bluish/gray and not white. There is a great contrast between the white of the flower petals and the color of the butterfly. So, it may be a bit worn individual of a Summer Azure perhaps, and if so, that might explain the pale "ghosting" of the marginal markings and also the grayness of the various dots and bars on both wings (instead of sharp and crisp black markings). I hope it IS an Iryna's Azure for NC, and the location very close to SC is favorable. But the ground color is a loooong way from whitish and the dark markings may be showing some wear. Harry LeGrand On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 11:09=E2=80=AFPM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali@i= cloud.com> wrote: > How about > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140 > > Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the specialized dorsal > forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t look right for l= adon. > > Salman > > On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>= > wrote: > > Wow! Getting very close to NC! I will check tomorrow on iNat for any > photos of potential Iryna's in this state. Not known previously north of > central SC, but still not much known about the range other than "generall= y" > from central SC southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainly= a > Coastal Plain species -- as far as known, but Greenville County of course > is upper Piedmont. > > Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's -- in an article and photo in an > upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white below and there is practicall= y > NO marginal chevron band or other dark markings near the HW margin. Eeri= ly > white below with also a reduction in black dots. > > Harry LeGrand > Raleigh > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <mrcampbell2013@gmail= .com> > wrote: > >> Good evening, >> >> Here is a record from another person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure, vetted = by Harry >> Pavulaan, for a Greenville County, SC record. >> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181 >> >> Matthew Campbell >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali <carolinaleps@d= uke.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> I have created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species. >>> >>> https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245 >>> >>> Note: any iNaturalist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and >>> click on the curation tab. >>> >>> Salman Abdulali >>> Greenville, NC >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps M= ailing >>> List) <carolinaleps...> wrote: >>> >>> Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC records. INat >>> has not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and South >>> Carolina. I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with open wi= ngs >>> to see a medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer >>> Azure. One was in Aiken County. I am not proficient in copy and paste o= n my >>> iPhone, but it would behoove folks to check these out on iNat. One or >>> both show the almost white underside ground color with few dots. I sus= pect >>> these and a few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be >>> this species. >>> >>> It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in >>> April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, = and >>> so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be sec= ond >>> brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished. >>> >>> Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry! >>> >>> PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers= /vetters should >>> add their comments, even if the records seem to be only documented to >>> Celastrina species for now. I am not sure how iNat staff go back into = the >>> database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species lev= el >>> records get changed to the full species name. Thoughts on that?? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <carolinaleps...> wrote: >>> >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26 >>> 10:40-3:35 10:40-11:40 Sunny 77-87 degrees >>> >>> Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure. >>> >>> Eastern Tiger Swallowtail 4 >>> Spicebush Swallowtail 3 >>> Palamedes Swallowtail 11 >>> Sleepy Orange 3 >>> *Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure 6* (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) >>> Variegated Fritillary 6 >>> American Lady 1 >>> American Snout 1 >>> Common Buckeye 28 >>> Red-spotted Purple 3 >>> Appalachian Brown 1 >>> Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing 1 >>> Duskywing species 1 >>> >>> Marty Kastner >>> Blythewood, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --00000000000058a635065072bee5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I'm a bit concerned that the ground color of this= NC individual is light bluish/gray and not white. There is a great contras= t between the white of the flower petals and the color of the butterfly. So= , it may be a bit worn individual of a Summer Azure perhaps, and if so, tha= t might explain the pale "ghosting" of the marginal markings and = also the grayness of the various dots and bars on both wings (instead of sh= arp and crisp black markings).</div><div><br></div><div>I hope it IS an Iry= na's Azure for NC, and the location very close to SC is favorable.=C2= =A0 But the ground color is a loooong way from whitish and the dark marking= s may be showing some wear.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand</div></d= iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl= ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 11:09=E2=80=AFPM Salman Abdulali= <<a href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>"><salman.abdulali...>= om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex= "><div>How about<div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77= 309140" originalSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" t= arget=3D"_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140</a></div= ><div><br></div><div>Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the sp= ecialized dorsal forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t l= ook right for ladon.</div><div><br></div><div>Salman<br id=3D"m_11050220963= 34157182lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><= div>On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mail= to:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>> wro= te:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Wow!=C2=A0 Getting very close to NC= !=C2=A0 I will check tomorrow on iNat for any photos of potential Iryna'= ;s in this state. Not known previously north of central SC, but still not m= uch known about the range other than "generally" from central SC = southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainly a Coastal Plain s= pecies -- as far as known, but Greenville County of course is upper Piedmon= t.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's=C2=A0-- i= n an article and photo in an upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white be= low and there is practically NO marginal chevron band or other dark marking= s near the HW margin.=C2=A0 Eerily white below with also a reduction in bla= ck dots.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand</div><div>Raleigh</div></di= v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On S= un, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:mrcam= <pbell2013...>" target=3D"_blank"><mrcampbell2013...></a>> wro= te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"= ltr"><div>Good evening,</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a record from anot= her person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure,=C2=A0 vetted by Harry Pavulaan, for a= Greenville County, SC record.</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist= .org/observations/159487181" originalSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/obs= ervations/159487181" target=3D"_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observat= ions/159487181</a></div><div><br></div><div>Matthew Campbell</div><div><br>= </div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">= On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali <<a href=3D"mai= lto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>> = wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I ha= ve created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species.<div><br>= </div><div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" originalSrc= =3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" target=3D"_blank">https://www= .inaturalist.org/flags/819245</a></div><div><br></div><div>Note: any iNatur= alist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and click on the curation= tab.</div><div><br></div><div>Salman Abdulali</div><div>Greenville, NC<br = id=3D"m_1105022096334157182m_15568110248107398m_4430980040941012994lineBrea= kAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Apr 25, 2= 026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank">carolinaleps@du= ke.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"auto">Out of curiosity, I c= hecked iNaturalist for possible SC records. INat has not yet accepted the s= pecies, so I entered Celastrina and South Carolina.=C2=A0 I saw at least 2 = records of males in April 2026 with open wings to see a medium blue, seemin= gly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One was in Aiken County. I= am not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but it would behoove fol= ks to check these out on iNat. =C2=A0 One or both show the almost white und= erside ground color with few dots.=C2=A0 I suspect these and a few others f= rom the central to SW part of SC in April to be this species. =C2=A0<div><b= r></div><div>It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male ph= otos in April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colo= rs, and so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be= second brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished.=C2=A0</div><di= v><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry!</div><div><br></div><di= v>PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers/v= etters should add their comments, even if the records seem to be only docum= ented to Celastrina species for now.=C2=A0 I am not sure how iNat staff go = back into the database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the s= pecies level records get changed to the full species name.=C2=A0 Thoughts o= n that??</div><div><br id=3D"m_1105022096334157182m_15568110248107398m_4430= 980040941012994lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from = my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 24, 20= 26, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"= _blank"><carolinaleps...></a> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockqu= ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:Arial= ,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Aiken Coun= ty Near Aiken SP 4/23/26=C2=A0</div><div>10:40-3:35=C2=A0 =C2=A010:40-11:40= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sunny 77-87 degrees</div><div><br></div><div>Alison Smith, Dav= e and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure.</div><div><br></div><div>Easter= n Tiger Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A04</div><div>Spicebush Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2= =A03</div><div>Palamedes Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A011</div><div>Sleepy Orange= =C2=A0 =C2=A03</div><div><b>Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure=C2=A0 =C2=A06</b> (vetted= by Harry Pavulaan)</div><div>Variegated Fritillary=C2=A0 =C2=A06</div><div= >American Lady=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div><div>American Snout=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div><d= iv>Common Buckeye=C2=A0 =C2=A028</div><div>Red-spotted Purple=C2=A0 =C2=A03= </div><div>Appalachian Brown=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div><div>Horace=E2=80=99s Dusky= wing=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div><div>Duskywing species=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div><div><br>= </div><div dir=3D"ltr">Marty Kastner</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Blythewood, SC</= div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote>= </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></d= iv> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> --00000000000058a635065072bee5-- |
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