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| List: Carolina-Leps Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2026 17:22:27 -0400 From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Iryna=E2=80=99s_Azure_=28vetted_by_Harry_Pavulaan=29_for_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?_Greenville_County=2C_SC_record=2E?= |
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--000000000000cfaf9d065077b66f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harry P and others, I was a bit confused by the "April 27" date you mentioned, when the photo that Salman linked: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140 was taken on April 30, in 2021. But, I do see that you HAVE confirmed it as an Iryna's Azure. Great news for us Tar Heels! Here are the comments you posted there: "Bingo, Iryna's Azure! That elongated wing scale is a certainty, in combination with a nearly pure white underside. Great find for North Carolina!" So, as I am the primary author of the Butterflies of North Carolina website, *I will write a species account for Iryna's Azure tonight or tomorrow. * I will certainly add Ken's record to the database, with Mecklenburg to show in green. We WILL want and need one to several photos on the species page, but that doesn't have to be tomorrow. Hopefully, we can get Ken's permission to have the two photos (one ventral and the detailed dorsal) on the website. AND -- we certainly can use some photos taken in SC. Thus, if you do have photos of this newly described species, please send them to Tom Howard (<tom.howard...>) for posting to our site (as SC does not have a similar website for viewing photos). I will add in the text the known SC counties, from what Harry Pavulaan has stated above and in his published paper. Once I finish the text, you can click on the PDF and see the text and the map with a black dot for Mecklenburg, but I am not sure how we (Tom and I) can get the handful of SC counties to show on the PDF map just yet. *Tom -- would it be possible for the webpage PDF to show black dots for the SC counties soon, once I complete the account and have a listing of the SC counties in the text? That would be nice for us to have a visual of the known range in the Carolinas immediately, and not have to wait until the end of the year.* Harry L (the other Harry) PS -- This ups the NC species total to 178. Of course, we would love to have first records for previously existing species nearby, particularly Bell's Roadside-Skipper, or Bronze Copper, etc. Or a Florida or Midwestern stray. On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...>= m> wrote: > Bingo!! Iryna's Azure. The nearly pure white underside coupled with tha= t > elongated dorsal wing scale is a lock. Great documentation! > > In general, any Azure with those elongated scales on the dorsal side of > the male forewing and nearly pure white undersides are Celastrina iryna. > April 27 is perfect for the flight window, and the flight window of C. > ladon (Spring Azure) is basically over. I know Celastrina neglecta summe= r > brood emerges in another week or two in that region. > > Harry P. > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...> > *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2026 3:08 AM > *To:* Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> > *Cc:* M Campbell <mrcampbell2013...>; JOHN DEMKO < > <jldemko...>; Dennis Forsythe <dennis.forsythe...>; > <kastners...> <kastners...>; Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...>= >; > Carolinaleps <carolinaleps...> > *Subject:* Re: Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) for a Gre= enville > County, SC record. > > How about > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140 > > Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the specialized dorsal > forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t look right for l= adon. > > Salman > > On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>= > wrote: > > Wow! Getting very close to NC! I will check tomorrow on iNat for any > photos of potential Iryna's in this state. Not known previously north of > central SC, but still not much known about the range other than "generall= y" > from central SC southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainly= a > Coastal Plain species -- as far as known, but Greenville County of course > is upper Piedmont. > > Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's -- in an article and photo in an > upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white below and there is practicall= y > NO marginal chevron band or other dark markings near the HW margin. Eeri= ly > white below with also a reduction in black dots. > > Harry LeGrand > Raleigh > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <mrcampbell2013@gmail= .com> > wrote: > > Good evening, > > Here is a record from another person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure, vetted b= y Harry > Pavulaan, for a Greenville County, SC record. > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181 > > Matthew Campbell > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali <carolinaleps@du= ke.edu> > wrote: > > I have created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species. > > https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245 > > Note: any iNaturalist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and > click on the curation tab. > > Salman Abdulali > Greenville, NC > > On Apr 25, 2026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mai= ling > List) <carolinaleps...> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC records. INat has > not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and South Carolina. > I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with open wings to see a > medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One w= as > in Aiken County. I am not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but = it > would behoove folks to check these out on iNat. One or both show the > almost white underside ground color with few dots. I suspect these and a > few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be this species. > > It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in > April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, an= d > so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be secon= d > brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished. > > Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry! > > PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers/v= etters should add > their comments, even if the records seem to be only documented to > Celastrina species for now. I am not sure how iNat staff go back into th= e > database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species level > records get changed to the full species name. Thoughts on that?? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <carolinaleps...> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26 > 10:40-3:35 10:40-11:40 Sunny 77-87 degrees > > Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure. > > Eastern Tiger Swallowtail 4 > Spicebush Swallowtail 3 > Palamedes Swallowtail 11 > Sleepy Orange 3 > *Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure 6* (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) > Variegated Fritillary 6 > American Lady 1 > American Snout 1 > Common Buckeye 28 > Red-spotted Purple 3 > Appalachian Brown 1 > Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing 1 > Duskywing species 1 > > Marty Kastner > Blythewood, SC > > > > > > --000000000000cfaf9d065077b66f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Harry P and others,</div><div><br></div><div>I was a = bit confused by the "April 27" date you mentioned, when the photo= that Salman linked:</div><div><br></div><div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" original= Src=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140</a></div> <br></div><div>was taken on April 30, in 2021.</div><div><br></div><div>But= , I do see that you HAVE confirmed it as=C2=A0an Iryna's Azure.=C2=A0 G= reat news for us Tar Heels! Here are the comments you posted there:</div><d= iv><br></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content">"Bingo, Iryna's Az= ure! That elongated wing scale=20 is a certainty, in combination with a nearly pure white underside. =20 Great find for North Carolina!"</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-= content"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content">So, as I am th= e primary author of the Butterflies of North Carolina website, <b>I will wr= ite a species account for Iryna's Azure tonight or tomorrow.=C2=A0</b> = I will certainly add Ken's record to the database, with Mecklenburg to = show in green.=C2=A0 We WILL want and need one to several=C2=A0photos on th= e species page, but that doesn't have to be tomorrow. Hopefully, we can= get Ken's permission to have the two photos (one ventral and the detai= led dorsal) on the website. AND -- we certainly can use some photos taken i= n SC. Thus, if you do have photos of this newly described species, please s= end them to Tom Howard (<a href=3D"mailto:<tom.howard...>">tom.howar= <d...></a>) for posting to our site (as SC does not have a similar w= ebsite for viewing photos).=C2=A0 I will add in the text the known SC count= ies, from what Harry Pavulaan has stated above and in his published paper.= =C2=A0 Once I finish the text, you can click on the PDF and see the text an= d the map with a black dot for Mecklenburg, but I am not sure how we (Tom a= nd I) can get the handful of SC counties to show on the PDF map just yet.= =C2=A0</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content"><u><br></u></span></d= iv><div><span class=3D"gmail-content"><u>Tom -- would it be possible for th= e webpage=C2=A0PDF to show black dots for the SC counties soon,=C2=A0once I= =C2=A0 complete the=C2=A0account and have a listing of the=C2=A0SC counties= in the text? That would be nice for us to have a visual of the known range= in the Carolinas immediately, and not have to wait until the end of the ye= ar.</u></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content"><u><br></u></span></= div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content"></span></div><div><span class=3D"gma= il-content">Harry L (the other Harry)</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail= -content"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-content">PS -- This up= s the NC species total to 178.=C2=A0 Of course, we would love to have first= records for previously existing species nearby, particularly Bell's Ro= adside-Skipper, or Bronze Copper, etc. Or a Florida or Midwestern stray.</s= pan></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Har= ry Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>"><harrypav...>= m</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"= ><div class=3D"msg-4036212154999869122"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Bingo!!=C2=A0 Iryna's Azure.=C2=A0 The nearly pure white underside coup= led with that elongated dorsal wing scale is a lock.=C2=A0 Great documentat= ion!</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> In general, any Azure with those elongated scales on the dorsal side of the= male forewing and nearly pure white undersides are Celastrina iryna.=C2=A0= April 27 is perfect for the flight window, and the flight window of C. lad= on (Spring Azure) is basically over.=C2=A0 I know Celastrina neglecta summer brood emerges in another week or two in = that region.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Harry P.</div> <div id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122Signature"> <p style=3D"margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em">Sent from <a href=3D"http://a= ka.ms/weboutlook" originalSrc=3D"http://aka.ms/weboutlook" style=3D"margin-= top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target=3D"_blank"> Outlook</a><br> </p> </div> <div id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"C= alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>= Salman Abdulali <<a href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" target= =3D"_blank"><salman.abdulali...></a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2026 3:08 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>" target= =3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> M Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:<mrcampbell2013...>" targe= t=3D"_blank"><mrcampbell2013...></a>>; JOHN DEMKO <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:<jldemko...>" target=3D"_blank"><jldemko...></a>>= ; Dennis Forsythe <<a href=3D"mailto:<dennis.forsythe...>" target= =3D"_blank"><dennis.forsythe...></a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:kastners@a= ol.com" target=3D"_blank"><kastners...></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:kastne= <rs...>" target=3D"_blank"><kastners...></a>>; Harry Pavulaan <= <a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>" target=3D"_blank">harrypav@hotmail.= com</a>>; Carolinaleps <<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" targ= et=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) for a = Greenville County, SC record.</font> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> <div>How about <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" original= Src=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the specialized dorsal= forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t look right for la= don.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Salman<br id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122x_lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"= > <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mai= lto:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>> wr= ote:</div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Wow!=C2=A0 Getting very close to NC!=C2=A0 I will check tomorrow on iN= at for any photos of potential Iryna's in this state. Not known previou= sly north of central SC, but still not much known about the range other tha= n "generally" from central SC southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainly a Coastal Plain species -- as far a= s known, but Greenville County of course is upper Piedmont.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's=C2=A0-- in an article and photo = in an upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white below and there is practi= cally NO marginal chevron band or other dark markings near the HW margin.= =C2=A0 Eerily white below with also a reduction in black dots.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry LeGrand</div> <div>Raleigh</div> </div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <<a= href=3D"mailto:<mrcampbell2013...>" target=3D"_blank">mrcampbell2013@= gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Good evening,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Here is a record from another person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure,=C2=A0 = vetted by Harry Pavulaan, for a Greenville County, SC record.</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181" origina= lSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181" target=3D"_blan= k">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Matthew Campbell</div> <div><br> </div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank">carolinaleps@= duke.edu</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div>I have created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species. <div><br> </div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" originalSrc=3D"ht= tps://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" target=3D"_blank">https://www.inatu= ralist.org/flags/819245</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Note: any iNaturalist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and = click on the curation tab.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Salman Abdulali</div> <div>Greenville, NC<br id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122x_m_15568110248107398m_4= 430980040941012994lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On Apr 25, 2026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps = Mailing List) <<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank= "><carolinaleps...></a>> wrote:</div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"auto">Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC r= ecords. INat has not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and = South Carolina.=C2=A0 I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with = open wings to see a medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One was in Aiken County. I am= not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but it would behoove folks = to check these out on iNat. =C2=A0 One or both show the almost white unders= ide ground color with few dots.=C2=A0 I suspect these and a few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be th= is species. =C2=A0 <div><br> </div> <div>It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in = April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, and = so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be second = brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewer= s/vetters should add their comments, even if the records seem to be only do= cumented to Celastrina species for now.=C2=A0 I am not sure how iNat staff = go back into the database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species level records get changed to the full species= name.=C2=A0 Thoughts on that??</div> <div><br id=3D"m_-4036212154999869122x_m_15568110248107398m_443098004094101= 2994lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <a href=3D"m= ailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"> <carolinaleps...></a> wrote:<br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div>Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26=C2=A0</div> <div>10:40-3:35=C2=A0 =C2=A010:40-11:40=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sunny 77-87 degrees</di= v> <div><br> </div> <div>Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A04</div> <div>Spicebush Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div>Palamedes Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A011</div> <div>Sleepy Orange=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div><b>Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure=C2=A0 =C2=A06</b> (vetted by Harry Pavulaan)<= /div> <div>Variegated Fritillary=C2=A0 =C2=A06</div> <div>American Lady=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>American Snout=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Common Buckeye=C2=A0 =C2=A028</div> <div>Red-spotted Purple=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div>Appalachian Brown=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Duskywing species=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div><br> </div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Marty Kastner</div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Blythewood, SC</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div> --000000000000cfaf9d065077b66f-- |
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