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| List: Carolina-Leps Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2026 18:54:17 -0400 From: M Campbell (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Iryna=E2=80=99s_Azure_=28vetted_by_Harry_Pavulaan=29_for_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?_Greenville_County=2C_SC_record=2E?= |
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--0000000000005a627e065078ffcc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good evening, For purposes of record keeping, Harry Pavulaan's paper describing Iryna's Azure gave a geographic distribution of: Range. Verified and reported county localities include: FLORIDA: Clay, Gadsden, Liberty, Okaloosa, Wakulla Counties. GEORGIA: Burke, Fannin, Fulton Counties. MISSISSIPPI: Adams County. SOUTH CAROLINA: Aiken, Barnwell, Dorchester, Jasper, Orangeburg Counties. The observation in Greenville County, SC on inaturalist adds one more county. Matthew On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 5:22=E2=80=AFPM Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>= > wrote: > Harry P and others, > > I was a bit confused by the "April 27" date you mentioned, when the photo > that Salman linked: > > https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140 > > was taken on April 30, in 2021. > > But, I do see that you HAVE confirmed it as an Iryna's Azure. Great news > for us Tar Heels! Here are the comments you posted there: > > "Bingo, Iryna's Azure! That elongated wing scale is a certainty, in > combination with a nearly pure white underside. Great find for North > Carolina!" > > So, as I am the primary author of the Butterflies of North Carolina > website, *I will write a species account for Iryna's Azure tonight or > tomorrow. * I will certainly add Ken's record to the database, with > Mecklenburg to show in green. We WILL want and need one to several photo= s > on the species page, but that doesn't have to be tomorrow. Hopefully, we > can get Ken's permission to have the two photos (one ventral and the > detailed dorsal) on the website. AND -- we certainly can use some photos > taken in SC. Thus, if you do have photos of this newly described species, > please send them to Tom Howard (<tom.howard...>) for posting to > our site (as SC does not have a similar website for viewing photos). I > will add in the text the known SC counties, from what Harry Pavulaan has > stated above and in his published paper. Once I finish the text, you can > click on the PDF and see the text and the map with a black dot for > Mecklenburg, but I am not sure how we (Tom and I) can get the handful of = SC > counties to show on the PDF map just yet. > > *Tom -- would it be possible for the webpage PDF to show black dots for > the SC counties soon, once I complete the account and have a listing of > the SC counties in the text? That would be nice for us to have a visual o= f > the known range in the Carolinas immediately, and not have to wait until > the end of the year.* > > Harry L (the other Harry) > > PS -- This ups the NC species total to 178. Of course, we would love to > have first records for previously existing species nearby, particularly > Bell's Roadside-Skipper, or Bronze Copper, etc. Or a Florida or Midwester= n > stray. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav@hotmail.= com> > wrote: > >> Bingo!! Iryna's Azure. The nearly pure white underside coupled with >> that elongated dorsal wing scale is a lock. Great documentation! >> >> In general, any Azure with those elongated scales on the dorsal side of >> the male forewing and nearly pure white undersides are Celastrina iryna. >> April 27 is perfect for the flight window, and the flight window of C. >> ladon (Spring Azure) is basically over. I know Celastrina neglecta summ= er >> brood emerges in another week or two in that region. >> >> Harry P. >> >> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2026 3:08 AM >> *To:* Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> >> *Cc:* M Campbell <mrcampbell2013...>; JOHN DEMKO < >> <jldemko...>; Dennis Forsythe <dennis.forsythe...>; >> <kastners...> <kastners...>; Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...>= m>; >> Carolinaleps <carolinaleps...> >> *Subject:* Re: Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) for a Gr= eenville >> County, SC record. >> >> How about >> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140 >> >> Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the specialized dorsal >> forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t look right for = ladon. >> >> Salman >> >> On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>= m> wrote: >> >> Wow! Getting very close to NC! I will check tomorrow on iNat for any >> photos of potential Iryna's in this state. Not known previously north of >> central SC, but still not much known about the range other than "general= ly" >> from central SC southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainl= y a >> Coastal Plain species -- as far as known, but Greenville County of cours= e >> is upper Piedmont. >> >> Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's -- in an article and photo in an >> upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white below and there is practical= ly >> NO marginal chevron band or other dark markings near the HW margin. Eer= ily >> white below with also a reduction in black dots. >> >> Harry LeGrand >> Raleigh >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <mrcampbell2013@gmai= l.com> >> wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> >> Here is a record from another person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure, vetted = by Harry >> Pavulaan, for a Greenville County, SC record. >> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181 >> >> Matthew Campbell >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali <carolinaleps@d= uke.edu> >> wrote: >> >> I have created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species. >> >> https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245 >> >> Note: any iNaturalist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and >> click on the curation tab. >> >> Salman Abdulali >> Greenville, NC >> >> On Apr 25, 2026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Ma= iling >> List) <carolinaleps...> wrote: >> >> Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC records. INat ha= s >> not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and South Carolina= . >> I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with open wings to see a >> medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One = was >> in Aiken County. I am not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but= it >> would behoove folks to check these out on iNat. One or both show the >> almost white underside ground color with few dots. I suspect these and = a >> few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be this species= . >> >> It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in >> April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, a= nd >> so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be seco= nd >> brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished. >> >> Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry! >> >> PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewers/= vetters should >> add their comments, even if the records seem to be only documented to >> Celastrina species for now. I am not sure how iNat staff go back into t= he >> database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species leve= l >> records get changed to the full species name. Thoughts on that?? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <carolinaleps...> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26 >> 10:40-3:35 10:40-11:40 Sunny 77-87 degrees >> >> Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure. >> >> Eastern Tiger Swallowtail 4 >> Spicebush Swallowtail 3 >> Palamedes Swallowtail 11 >> Sleepy Orange 3 >> *Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure 6* (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) >> Variegated Fritillary 6 >> American Lady 1 >> American Snout 1 >> Common Buckeye 28 >> Red-spotted Purple 3 >> Appalachian Brown 1 >> Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing 1 >> Duskywing species 1 >> >> Marty Kastner >> Blythewood, SC >> >> >> >> >> >> --0000000000005a627e065078ffcc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Good evening,<div><br></div><div>For purp= oses of record keeping, Harry Pavulaan's=C2=A0paper describing Iryna= 9;s=C2=A0Azure gave a geographic distribution of:</div><div><div>Range. Ver= ified and reported county localities include: FLORIDA: Clay, Gadsden, Liber= ty,</div><div>Okaloosa, Wakulla Counties. GEORGIA: Burke, Fannin, Fulton Co= unties. MISSISSIPPI: Adams<br>County.=C2=A0</div><div>SOUTH CAROLINA: Aiken= , Barnwell, Dorchester, Jasper, Orangeburg Counties.</div></div><div><br></= div><div>The observation in Greenville County, SC on inaturalist adds one m= ore county.</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew</div></div><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On = Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 5:22=E2=80=AFPM Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mailto:hl= <egrandjr...>"><hlegrandjr...></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Harry P and o= thers,</div><div><br></div><div>I was a bit confused by the "April 27&= quot; date you mentioned, when the photo that Salman linked:</div><div><br>= </div><div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" original= Src=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140</a></div> <br></div><div>was taken on April 30, in 2021.</div><div><br></div><div>But= , I do see that you HAVE confirmed it as=C2=A0an Iryna's Azure.=C2=A0 G= reat news for us Tar Heels! Here are the comments you posted there:</div><d= iv><br></div><div><span>"Bingo, Iryna's Azure! That elongated win= g scale=20 is a certainty, in combination with a nearly pure white underside. =20 Great find for North Carolina!"</span></div><div><span><br></span></di= v><div><span>So, as I am the primary author of the Butterflies of North Car= olina website, <b>I will write a species account for Iryna's Azure toni= ght or tomorrow.=C2=A0</b> I will certainly add Ken's record to the dat= abase, with Mecklenburg to show in green.=C2=A0 We WILL want and need one t= o several=C2=A0photos on the species page, but that doesn't have to be = tomorrow. Hopefully, we can get Ken's permission to have the two photos= (one ventral and the detailed dorsal) on the website. AND -- we certainly = can use some photos taken in SC. Thus, if you do have photos of this newly = described species, please send them to Tom Howard (<a href=3D"mailto:tom.ho= <ward...>" target=3D"_blank"><tom.howard...></a>) for posting= to our site (as SC does not have a similar website for viewing photos).=C2= =A0 I will add in the text the known SC counties, from what Harry Pavulaan = has stated above and in his published paper.=C2=A0 Once I finish the text, = you can click on the PDF and see the text and the map with a black dot for = Mecklenburg, but I am not sure how we (Tom and I) can get the handful of SC= counties to show on the PDF map just yet.=C2=A0</span></div><div><span><u>= <br></u></span></div><div><span><u>Tom -- would it be possible for the webp= age=C2=A0PDF to show black dots for the SC counties soon,=C2=A0once I=C2=A0= complete the=C2=A0account and have a listing of the=C2=A0SC counties in th= e text? That would be nice for us to have a visual of the known range in th= e Carolinas immediately, and not have to wait until the end of the year.</u= ></span></div><div><span><u><br></u></span></div><div><span></span></div><d= iv><span>Harry L (the other Harry)</span></div><div><span><br></span></div>= <div><span>PS -- This ups the NC species total to 178.=C2=A0 Of course, we = would love to have first records for previously existing species nearby, pa= rticularly Bell's Roadside-Skipper, or Bronze Copper, etc. Or a Florida= or Midwestern stray.</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div= dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM H= arry Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>" target=3D"_blank"= ><harrypav...></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20= 4);padding-left:1ex"><div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Bingo!!=C2=A0 Iryna's Azure.=C2=A0 The nearly pure white underside coup= led with that elongated dorsal wing scale is a lock.=C2=A0 Great documentat= ion!</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> In general, any Azure with those elongated scales on the dorsal side of the= male forewing and nearly pure white undersides are Celastrina iryna.=C2=A0= April 27 is perfect for the flight window, and the flight window of C. lad= on (Spring Azure) is basically over.=C2=A0 I know Celastrina neglecta summer brood emerges in another week or two in = that region.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color= :rgb(0,0,0)"> Harry P.</div> <div id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122Signature"> <p style=3D"margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em">Sent from <a href=3D"http://a= ka.ms/weboutlook" originalSrc=3D"http://aka.ms/weboutlook" style=3D"margin-= top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target=3D"_blank"> Outlook</a><br> </p> </div> <div id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122divRplyFwdMsg" dir= =3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color= =3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Salman Abdulali <<a href=3D"mailto:salman.abdu= <lali...>" target=3D"_blank"><salman.abdulali...></a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2026 3:08 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>" target= =3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> M Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:<mrcampbell2013...>" targe= t=3D"_blank"><mrcampbell2013...></a>>; JOHN DEMKO <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:<jldemko...>" target=3D"_blank"><jldemko...></a>>= ; Dennis Forsythe <<a href=3D"mailto:<dennis.forsythe...>" target= =3D"_blank"><dennis.forsythe...></a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:kastners@a= ol.com" target=3D"_blank"><kastners...></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:kastne= <rs...>" target=3D"_blank"><kastners...></a>>; Harry Pavulaan <= <a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>" target=3D"_blank">harrypav@hotmail.= com</a>>; Carolinaleps <<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" targ= et=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure (vetted by Harry Pavulaan) for a = Greenville County, SC record.</font> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> <div>How about <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" original= Src=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/77309140</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Currently identified as Spring Azure because of the specialized dorsal= forewing scales, but the ventral surface doesn=E2=80=99t look right for la= don.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Salman<br id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122x_lineBrea= kAtBeginningOfMessage"> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On Apr 26, 2026, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, Harry LeGrand <<a href=3D"mai= lto:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>> wr= ote:</div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Wow!=C2=A0 Getting very close to NC!=C2=A0 I will check tomorrow on iN= at for any photos of potential Iryna's in this state. Not known previou= sly north of central SC, but still not much known about the range other tha= n "generally" from central SC southward and west at least to Louisiana, and thus mainly a Coastal Plain species -- as far a= s known, but Greenville County of course is upper Piedmont.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry Pavulaan notes that Iryna's=C2=A0-- in an article and photo = in an upcoming Chrysalis issue -- is nearly white below and there is practi= cally NO marginal chevron band or other dark markings near the HW margin.= =C2=A0 Eerily white below with also a reduction in black dots.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry LeGrand</div> <div>Raleigh</div> </div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM M Campbell <<a= href=3D"mailto:<mrcampbell2013...>" target=3D"_blank">mrcampbell2013@= gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Good evening,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Here is a record from another person for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure,=C2=A0 = vetted by Harry Pavulaan, for a Greenville County, SC record.</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181" origina= lSrc=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181" target=3D"_blan= k">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159487181</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Matthew Campbell</div> <div><br> </div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Apr 25, 2026 at 12:43=E2=80=AFAM Salman Abdulali &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank">carolinaleps@= duke.edu</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div>I have created a flag for iNaturalist curators to add the new species. <div><br> </div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" originalSrc=3D"ht= tps://www.inaturalist.org/flags/819245" target=3D"_blank">https://www.inatu= ralist.org/flags/819245</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Note: any iNaturalist user can create flags. Go to the taxon page and = click on the curation tab.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Salman Abdulali</div> <div>Greenville, NC<br id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122x_= m_15568110248107398m_4430980040941012994lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On Apr 25, 2026, at 12:03=E2=80=AFAM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps = Mailing List) <<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank= "><carolinaleps...></a>> wrote:</div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"auto">Out of curiosity, I checked iNaturalist for possible SC r= ecords. INat has not yet accepted the species, so I entered Celastrina and = South Carolina.=C2=A0 I saw at least 2 records of males in April 2026 with = open wings to see a medium blue, seemingly without the white veins of the Summer Azure. One was in Aiken County. I am= not proficient in copy and paste on my iPhone, but it would behoove folks = to check these out on iNat. =C2=A0 One or both show the almost white unders= ide ground color with few dots.=C2=A0 I suspect these and a few others from the central to SW part of SC in April to be th= is species. =C2=A0 <div><br> </div> <div>It is not known From NC and I have never seen top side male photos in = April in the state outside the mountains with these solid blue colors, and = so in April in the southern part of NC all fresh ones should now be second = brood Summer, as Holly ought to be worn or finished.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Harry LeGrand =3D the other Harry!</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS =E2=80=94If verified or at least possibly Iryna=E2=80=99s, reviewer= s/vetters should add their comments, even if the records seem to be only do= cumented to Celastrina species for now.=C2=A0 I am not sure how iNat staff = go back into the database once iNat DOES accept any new species, so that the species level records get changed to the full species= name.=C2=A0 Thoughts on that??</div> <div><br id=3D"m_-4509296094958770635m_-4036212154999869122x_m_155681102481= 07398m_4430980040941012994lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 24, 2026, at 7:30=E2=80=AFPM, <a href=3D"m= ailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"> <carolinaleps...></a> wrote:<br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div>Aiken County Near Aiken SP 4/23/26=C2=A0</div> <div>10:40-3:35=C2=A0 =C2=A010:40-11:40=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sunny 77-87 degrees</di= v> <div><br> </div> <div>Alison Smith, Dave and I searched for Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A04</div> <div>Spicebush Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div>Palamedes Swallowtail=C2=A0 =C2=A011</div> <div>Sleepy Orange=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div><b>Iryna=E2=80=99s Azure=C2=A0 =C2=A06</b> (vetted by Harry Pavulaan)<= /div> <div>Variegated Fritillary=C2=A0 =C2=A06</div> <div>American Lady=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>American Snout=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Common Buckeye=C2=A0 =C2=A028</div> <div>Red-spotted Purple=C2=A0 =C2=A03</div> <div>Appalachian Brown=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Horace=E2=80=99s Duskywing=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div>Duskywing species=C2=A0 =C2=A01</div> <div><br> </div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Marty Kastner</div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Blythewood, SC</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div></div> --0000000000005a627e065078ffcc-- |
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