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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:01:01 -0700
From: Paul Cherubini <monarch...> [western_monarchs] <western_monarchs...>
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] How does one get full article
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As far as I can tell the authors didn=E2=80=99t explain how they came
up with the =E2=80=9Cabundance index (millions of butterflies)=E2=80=9D fig=
ures
displayed in their graph:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/1042/vyJLUv.jpg

In other words, didn=E2=80=99t explain what specific overwintering colony
Thanksgiving count census data was used to estimate there=20
were 10,000,000 monarchs overwintering along the California=20
coast in 1997, but only 100,000 in 2002?

And in the 1980=E2=80=99s what overwintering colony census data did
the authors use to estimate there were 10,000,000 - 12,000,000
monarchs overwintering along the California coast during the
late fall of 1984-1987? My recollection is 1984-1987 were low to=20
average population size years whereas 1989-1991were peak=20
years - the opposite of what is displayed by the author=E2=80=99s
graph.=20=20

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.
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<span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">As far as I can tell the author=
s didn=E2=80=99t explain how they came</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">up with the =E2=80=9Cabundance index (million=
s of butterflies)=E2=80=9D figures</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=
=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">displayed in their graph:</span></div><div=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><a href=3D"http://i=
magizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/1042/vyJLUv.jpg" class=3D"">http://imagizer.=
imageshack.us/a/img924/1042/vyJLUv.jpg</a></span></div><div class=3D""><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div cl=
ass=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">In other words, didn=
=E2=80=99t explain what specific overwintering colony</span></div><div clas=
s=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Thanksgiving count censu=
s data</span><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span=
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">was used to&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">estimate there&nbsp;</span></div><div clas=
s=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">were 10,000,000 monarchs=
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">overwintering</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 14px;" class=3D"">along the California&nbsp;</span></div><div cla=
ss=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">coast in 1997, but only=
100,000 in 2002?</span></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cla=
ss=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">And in the 1980=E2=80=
=99s what overwintering colony census data did</span></div><div class=3D"">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">the authors use to estimate the=
re were 10,000,000 - 12,000,000</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"=
font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">monarchs overwintering&nbsp;</span><span style=
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n></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">late fa=
ll of 1984-1987? &nbsp;My recollection is&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 14px;" class=3D"">1984-1987</span><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" cla=
ss=3D"">&nbsp;were low to&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"=
font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">average&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;" class=3D"">population size years whereas 1989-1991</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">were peak&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"=
"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">years -&nbsp;</span><span sty=
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author=E2=80=99s</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14p=
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t-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span=
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Paul Cherubini</span></div><div clas=
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