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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:04:46 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Arogos Skipper

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FL also is part of the Eastern Arogos range.
Atrytone arogos arogos -- NJ to FL, west to LA (Butterflies of America);
Atrytone arogos iowa -- IL, IA, MN, ND, SD, MT, WY, CO, NE, KS, MO, AR, OK,
TX (Butterflies of America).

There are many more and larger populations in FL, than in NJ, where I
assume they are almost on their deathbed there. I doubt the NJ
populations should be used for any re-population efforts outside that
state. FL -- maybe so.

Yes, we didn't lose our last population owing to loss of habitat. The
habitat at Croatan is still there. It just lost its bugs owing to losing
all individuals -- in larval or pupal stage at the time of the fire. Thus,
the species should be able to survive there -- if properly managed by fire
of only parts of the savanna in any single year.

Harry LeGrand

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:

> I was fortunate to see several Arogos Skippers in NC at the Croatan
> National Forest site before that population disappeared ten years ago.
> Nearly twenty years ago experts did regional surveys and an assessment of
> the eastern population of Arogos and concluded it was rare, declining, and
> had disappeared from numerous sites. This was the opportunity for the Fish
> & Wildlife Service to listing and protect remaining populations under the
> federal Endangered Species Act. This would have provided protection from
> collecting, more attention from federal land management agencies,
> development of a plan to recover the species, and opportunity for funding
> for conservation. Unfortunately, the Fish & Wildlife Service failed to
> act.
>
> As Harry mentioned, the Forest Service fried the only known population of
> Arogos in NC and despite attention by people in the field and searching
> favorable looking habitat, it may be extirpated in NC. No known
> populations exist now between New Jersey and Florida.
>
> I understand the NC Arogos are/were the same as those still around but
> rare in southern New Jersey. Some researchers think this is one of four
> ecotypes and possibly distinct subspecies of eastern Arogos. The Forest
> Service and FWS could maybe atone for their past actions and inactions by
> investigating and if feasible developing a plan to use the New Jersey
> population to reestablish a population at the previous NC site. We know
> prior to the excessive burning this site supported a population.
> Reestablishing this population would provide more resiliency for the
> species. There is innovative and successful work going on, including
> captive rearing, to expand the endangered St Francis Mitchell's Satyr on
> Fort Bragg. Similar efforts should be used for the disappearing eastern
> Arogos before it is too late.
>
> Derb Carter
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>FL also is part of the Eastern Arogos range. <br></di=
v><div>Atrytone arogos arogos -- NJ to FL, west to LA (Butterflies of Ameri=
ca); <br></div><div>Atrytone arogos iowa -- IL, IA, MN, ND, SD, MT, WY, CO,=
NE, KS, MO, AR, OK, TX (Butterflies of America).</div><div><br></div><div>=
There are many more and larger populations in FL, than in NJ, where I assum=
e they are almost on their deathbed=C2=A0 there.=C2=A0 I doubt the NJ popul=
ations should be used for any re-population efforts outside that state.=C2=
=A0 FL -- maybe so.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, we didn&#39;t lose our la=
st population owing to loss of habitat.=C2=A0 The habitat at Croatan is sti=
ll there.=C2=A0 It just lost its bugs owing to losing all individuals -- in=
larval or pupal stage at the time of the fire.=C2=A0 Thus, the species sho=
uld be able to survive there -- if properly managed by fire of only parts o=
f the savanna in any single year.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGran=
d<br></div>

</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Derb Carter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:derbc@sel=
cnc.org"><derbc...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">I was fortunate to see several Arogos Skippers in =
NC at the Croatan National Forest site before that population disappeared t=
en years ago.=C2=A0 Nearly twenty years ago experts did regional surveys an=
d an assessment of the eastern population of Arogos and concluded it was ra=
re, declining, and had disappeared from numerous sites.=C2=A0 This was the =
opportunity for the Fish &amp; Wildlife Service to listing and protect rema=
ining populations under the federal Endangered Species Act.=C2=A0 This woul=
d have provided protection from collecting, more attention from federal lan=
d management agencies, development of a plan to recover the species, and op=
portunity for funding for conservation.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, the Fish &amp;=
Wildlife Service failed to act.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
As Harry mentioned, the Forest Service fried the only known population of A=
rogos in NC and despite attention by people in the field and searching favo=
rable looking habitat, it may be extirpated in NC.=C2=A0 No known populatio=
ns exist now between New Jersey and Florida.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
I understand the NC Arogos are/were the same as those still around but rare=
in southern New Jersey.=C2=A0 Some researchers think this is one of four e=
cotypes and possibly distinct subspecies of eastern Arogos.=C2=A0 The Fores=
t Service and FWS could maybe atone for their past actions and inactions by=
investigating and if feasible developing a plan to use the New Jersey popu=
lation to reestablish a population at the previous NC site.=C2=A0 We know p=
rior to the excessive burning this site supported a population.=C2=A0 Reest=
ablishing this population would provide more resiliency for the species.=C2=
=A0 There is innovative and successful work going on, including captive rea=
ring, to expand the endangered St Francis Mitchell&#39;s Satyr on Fort Brag=
g.=C2=A0 Similar efforts should be used for the disappearing eastern Arogos=
before it is too late.<br>
<br>
Derb Carter<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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