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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:53:06 -0400
From: Sam Davis <sam...>
Subject: Re: Rare NC butterflies being sold on eBay

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Edit / correction on my earlier email:

Collecting as a scientist is illegal in a NF without a permit, but
collecting for recreational use is not. Collecting in a National Park is
illegal regardless without a permit.

But either way, reporting the rare species may get them taken down :)

Sam

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM Sam Davis <sam...> wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> It may be worth going through and reporting items. You'll need an ebay
> account. Collecting on National Forests, like the West Virginia White
> specimen, is illegal without explicit permission from the park management.
>
> I reported that one because it's my expertise, but I'm unsure on others.
>
> Sam
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:
>
>> There is a collector selling hundreds of specimens of rare butterflies on
>> eBay, some up to $100 each. One of his main collecting sites appears to be
>> North Carolina. "Brand new" specimens for sale from NC include Dusky
>> Azure, Hessel's Hairstreak, Edward's Hairstreak, King's Hairstreak, Helicta
>> Satyr, Georgia Satyr, Little Metalmark, Two-spotted Skipper, Duke's
>> Skipper, and Green Comma. These species are rare and some imperiled and
>> monitored by the state Natural Heritage Program. The site is at the link
>> below.
>>
>> I strongly suspect that the collector is a lurker on the Carolinaleps
>> listserve. Otherwise, it would be nearly impossible to locate these rare
>> species in NC, and the sighting reports on the listserve provide a
>> collecting roadmap. Also, most of these rare species are very local and
>> the known sites are in protected areas where collecting is prohibited or
>> permits required. The Lepidopterists' Society statement on ethical
>> collection of butterflies states collectors should consult with local
>> experts before collecting rare or local species and obey all laws and
>> restrictions. And collecting for science is one thing, but to sell on eBay
>> is another.
>>
>> This makes me leery about reporting locations on future sightings of rare
>> or imperiled species. As I strongly suspect the collector is reading this,
>> as a North Carolinian concerned about our natural diversity, I ask you to
>> take your business elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=254505588802&_ssn=iau111&_pgn=15&_skc=700&rt=nc__;!!OToaGQ!-zJb9nRH9vuWvSMnGAl5Q2GgTwEyWOiLqxtT_EZukVVg2fZwcKY37Mxn2Q06rHgX3vY$
>>
>> Derb Carter
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sam L. Davis, Ph.D.
> Conservation Scientist
> Dogwood Alliance
> they/them/theirs
> (828) 251-2525 ext. 19 (office)
> (828) 380-2482 (cell)
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>
>

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Sam L. Davis, Ph.D.
Conservation Scientist
Dogwood Alliance
they/them/theirs
(828) 251-2525 ext. 19 (office)
(828) 380-2482 (cell)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Edit=C2=A0/ correction on my earlier email:=C2=A0<div><br>=
</div><div>Collecting as a scientist is illegal in a NF without a permit, b=
ut collecting for recreational use is not. Collecting in a National Park is=
illegal regardless without a permit.</div><div><br></div><div>But either w=
ay, reporting the rare species may get them taken down :)</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Sam</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM Sam Davis &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:<sam...>"><sam...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi a=
ll -=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It may be worth going through and reporting i=
tems. You&#39;ll need an ebay account. Collecting on National Forests, like=
the West Virginia White specimen, is illegal without explicit permission f=
rom the park management.</div><div><br></div><div>I reported that one becau=
se it&#39;s my expertise, but I&#39;m unsure on others.=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div>Sam</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Derb Carter &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:<derbc...>" target=3D"_blank"><derbc...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There is a =
collector selling hundreds of specimens of rare butterflies on eBay, some u=
p to $100 each.=C2=A0 One of his main collecting sites appears to be North =
Carolina.=C2=A0 &quot;Brand new&quot; specimens for sale from NC include Du=
sky Azure, Hessel&#39;s Hairstreak, Edward&#39;s Hairstreak, King&#39;s Hai=
rstreak, Helicta Satyr, Georgia Satyr, Little Metalmark, Two-spotted Skippe=
r, Duke&#39;s Skipper, and Green Comma.=C2=A0 These species are rare and so=
me imperiled and monitored by the state Natural Heritage Program.=C2=A0 The=
site is at the link below.<br>
<br>
I strongly suspect that the collector is a lurker on the Carolinaleps lists=
erve.=C2=A0 Otherwise, it would be nearly impossible to locate these rare s=
pecies in NC, and the sighting reports on the listserve provide a collectin=
g roadmap.=C2=A0 Also, most of these rare species are very local and the kn=
own sites are in protected areas where collecting is prohibited or permits =
required.=C2=A0 The Lepidopterists&#39; Society statement on ethical collec=
tion of butterflies states collectors should consult with local experts bef=
ore collecting rare or local species and obey all laws and restrictions.=C2=
=A0 And collecting for science is one thing, but to sell on eBay is another=
.<br>
<br>
This makes me leery about reporting locations on future sightings of rare o=
r imperiled species.=C2=A0 As I strongly suspect the collector is reading t=
his, as a North Carolinian concerned about our natural diversity, I ask you=
to take your business elsewhere.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=
=3D254505588802&amp;_ssn=3Diau111&amp;_pgn=3D15&amp;_skc=3D700&amp;rt=3Dnc_=
_;!!OToaGQ!-zJb9nRH9vuWvSMnGAl5Q2GgTwEyWOiLqxtT_EZukVVg2fZwcKY37Mxn2Q06rHgX=
3vY$" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__http=
s://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=3D254505588802&amp;_ssn=3Diau111&amp;_pgn=
=3D15&amp;_skc=3D700&amp;rt=3Dnc__;!!OToaGQ!-zJb9nRH9vuWvSMnGAl5Q2GgTwEyWOi=
LqxtT_EZukVVg2fZwcKY37Mxn2Q06rHgX3vY$</a> <br>
<br>
Derb Carter<br>
<br>
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ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
"><div>Sam L. Davis, Ph.D.</div><div>Conservation Scientist</div><div>Dogwo=
od Alliance</div><div>they/them/theirs</div><div>(828) 251-2525 ext. 19 (of=
fice)</div><div>(828) 380-2482 (cell)</div><div>----</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
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Scientist</div><div>Dogwood Alliance</div><div>they/them/theirs</div><div>=
(828) 251-2525 ext. 19 (office)</div><div>(828) 380-2482 (cell)</div><div>-=
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