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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:09:43 -0400
From: John Dole (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: new pearly-eye field mark?

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Works on my photos as well. Great job, Jeff!

John

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:18 AM Dennis Forsythe <carolinaleps...>
wrote:

> Me too
>
> Dennis F
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:14 AM Jan Hansen <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>
>> That field mark holds up on all of my photos as well.
>>
>> Jan Hansen
>> Chapel Hill NC
>> 919-259-9423
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.otusasiotours.com__;!!OToaGQ!7HVk=
tSUyZPbLkFmXzwXoGsnfwIZTy_V1e3GIoYvNN5Vh5nqgSX9GvBcg9fO6j_wohSg$=20
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.otusasiotours.com__;!!OToaGQ!4r_=
ABe13Crxd2iXxsb_hqtSPpstBKYTdtZXgUW6bJq5-nJFEo4jsMJeX74iElA-0ins$>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Rob Van Epps (via carolinaleps Mailing
>> List) <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF Very interesting observation Jeff!
>>
>> I checked my photos - mostly from Mecklenburg County or surrounding
>> counties and from the NC Sandhills Game Land, but some from FL and VA. =
All
>> my photos show the same as you observed - the white inside the eyespots =
are
>> round spots for Northern and at least one has a bar on Southern. Creole
>> seems to be more variable based on my photos (all Mecklenburg for Creole=
).
>>
>> Rob Van Epps
>> Davidson, NC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Jeff Pippen <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF Butterfliers,
>>
>> This evening, Harry LeGrand and Lori Arent sent me a few pearly-eye
>> photos to peruse, and I noticed a possible field mark that I hadn=E2=80=
=99t heard
>> of before. It appears that the white dots in the center of the large bl=
ack
>> eyespots on the ventral wings appear as round dots in Northerns and as
>> horizontal bars in at least some of the eyespots in Southern Pearly-eyes.
>> I=E2=80=99d be interested in knowing how reliable this field mark is.
>>
>> For example, it seems to hold up pretty well on my photos:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/south=
ernpearlyeye.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7HVktSUyZPbLkFmXzwXoGsnfwIZTy_V1e3GIoYvNN5Vh5nq=
gSX9GvBcg9fO6JhbeYmk$=20
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/sout=
hernpearlyeye.htm__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AOSlmb3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_CK=
1jQQVftdVx9Tq-zTGqO4s$>
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/npear=
lyeye.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7HVktSUyZPbLkFmXzwXoGsnfwIZTy_V1e3GIoYvNN5Vh5nqgSX9GvB=
cg9fO601R4xe4$=20
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/npea=
rlyeye.htm__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AOSlmb3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_CK1jQQVft=
dVx9Tq-Oxh5kwQ$>
>>
>> This may be a useful character when other field marks are obscured or
>> ambiguous, like antennal club patterns. Let me know what you think from
>> your experience or photos!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff
>> --
>> Jeffrey S. Pippen
>> Durham, NC
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jeffpippen.com/__;!!OToaGQ!7HVktS=
UyZPbLkFmXzwXoGsnfwIZTy_V1e3GIoYvNN5Vh5nqgSX9GvBcg9fO6G4GGFeQ$=20
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jeffpippen.com/__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AO=
Slmb3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_CK1jQQVftdVx9Tq-B0DE_s0$>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Dennis M. Forsythe PhD
> South Carolina Christmas Bird Count Editor
> South Carolina eButterfly reviewer
> Emeritus Professor of Biology
> The Citadel
> 171 Moultrie St,
> Charleston, SC 29409
> 843.795.3996-home
> 843.953.7264-fax
> 843.708.1605-cell
> <dennis.forsythe...>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Works on my photos as well.=C2=A0 Great job, Jeff!</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>John<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:18 AM Dennis=
Forsythe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>"><carolinaleps...>=
u</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Me too<div><br></div><div>Dennis F</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2=
020 at 7:14 AM Jan Hansen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" targ=
et=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">That field mark holds =
up on all of my photos as well.=C2=A0<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jan Hans=
en</div><div>Chapel Hill NC</div><div>919-259-9423</div><div><a href=3D"htt=
ps://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.otusasiotours.com__;!!OToaGQ!4r_ABe13Cr=
xd2iXxsb_hqtSPpstBKYTdtZXgUW6bJq5-nJFEo4jsMJeX74iElA-0ins$" target=3D"_blan=
k">www.otusasiotours.com</a></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:54 PM,=
Rob Van Epps (via carolinaleps Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carolin=
<aleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
=C2=A0Very interesting observation Jeff! =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I checke=
d my photos - mostly from Mecklenburg County or surrounding counties and fr=
om the NC Sandhills Game Land, but some from FL and VA.=C2=A0 All my photos=
show the same as you observed - the white inside the eyespots are round sp=
ots for Northern and at least one has a bar on Southern.=C2=A0 Creole seems=
to be more variable based on my photos (all Mecklenburg for Creole).=C2=A0=
<div><br></div><div>Rob Van Epps</div><div>Davidson, NC<br><br><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
">On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Jeff Pippen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carolinal=
<eps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
Butterfliers,<div><br></div><div>This evening, Harry LeGrand and Lori Arent=
sent me a few pearly-eye photos to peruse, and I noticed a possible field =
mark that I hadn=E2=80=99t heard of before.=C2=A0 It appears that the white=
dots in the center of the large black eyespots on the ventral wings appear=
as round dots in Northerns and as horizontal bars in at least some of the =
eyespots in Southern Pearly-eyes.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d be interested in knowin=
g how reliable this field mark is.</div><div><br></div><div>For example, it=
seems to hold up pretty well on my photos:</div><div><br></div><div><a hre=
f=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/sou=
thernpearlyeye.htm__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AOSlmb3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_C=
K1jQQVftdVx9Tq-zTGqO4s$" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jeffpippen.com/butte=
rflies/southernpearlyeye.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https:=
//urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/npearlyeye.htm=
__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AOSlmb3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_CK1jQQVftdVx9Tq-Oxh=
5kwQ$" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jeffpippen.com/butterflies/npearlyeye.=
htm</a></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>This may be a useful character when othe=
r field marks are obscured or ambiguous, like antennal club patterns.=C2=A0=
Let me know what you think from your experience or photos!</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jeff<br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div>--</=
div><div>Jeffrey S. Pippen</div><div>Durham, NC=C2=A0</div><div><a href=3D"=
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jeffpippen.com/__;!!OToaGQ!-u2AOSlmb=
3N_1FhXk8kVxN5Zu1fIAv8SK11tk3m6JVR_CK1jQQVftdVx9Tq-B0DE_s0$" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.jeffpippen.com/</a></div></div></div></div>
</div>
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ote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Dennis M. Forsythe PhD<div>South Carolina Christmas Bird Count Editor</div>=
<div>South Carolina eButterfly reviewer</div><div>Emeritus Professor of Bio=
logy</div><div>The Citadel</div><div><div><div>171 Moultrie St,<br>Charlest=
on, SC 29409<br>843.795.3996-home<br>843.953.7264-fax<br>843.708.1605-cell<=
br><a href=3D"mailto:<dennis.forsythe...>" target=3D"_blank">dennis.fo=
<rsythe...></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div>
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