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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:41:55 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Pine Elfin question

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Bob -- Don' t even begin to think you are the first person to wonder why
this species is so scarce in its overall range, and not just in NC!! I am
quite sure that various pines indeed are hostplants, as is well discussed.
And, as the species has been recorded nearly statewide, it isn't limited to
just Virginia Pine (scarce in the Coastal Plain), etc. White-M Hairstreak
host plants are oaks, and they can be quite difficult to locate in a given
year, as well. Oaks are everywhere too.

I have not heard anyone say that E. Pine Elfins spend tons of time in the
canopy of pine trees; if they did, that would explain why so few are
actually seen. We DO know that both Juniper and Hessel's hairstreaks spend
most of the day well up in the 2 cedar species; we can see them fly up to
higher branches when disturbed from a flower, and people with long nets can
beat on branches well up and at times flush one. Early Hairstreaks
seemingly spend most of the day well up or in hardwood trees, rarely coming
to the ground or a low flower. So -- I wouldn't rule out that Pine Elfins
spend much time well up in pine trees, but I don't know if this has been
reported.

Yes, most of us are lucky to see one in a given year, and you almost need
to be out every day or several times a week in the spring season to stumble
onto one, as there is absolutely no way to target where and when to find
one! My best advice is to walk along the margins of pine or mixed woods or
pine thickets and look for some flowering shrubs like plums. I've seen a
few on dirt roads, some in powerline clearings on various flowers, etc.

Good luck, and don't look for pines to make your search.

Harry LeGrand

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:52 AM ROBERT CAVANAUGH <carolinaleps...>
wrote:

> Every several years I will see a Pine Elfin here in Carteret but
> considering that pine is the most abundant tree on coastal Carolina, why
> are these butterflies so rare? It makes me wonder if pine is really the
> preferred host. Loblolly pine is the dominant species here.
>
> Over the years of reading this list service I don't recall many sightings
> mentioned.
>
> Thoughts from others.... ?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Bob -- Don&#39; t even begin to think you are the fir=
st person to wonder why this species is so scarce in its overall range, and=
not just in NC!!=C2=A0 I am quite sure that various pines indeed are hostp=
lants, as is well discussed.=C2=A0 And, as the species has been recorded ne=
arly statewide, it isn&#39;t limited to just Virginia Pine (scarce in the C=
oastal Plain), etc.=C2=A0 White-M Hairstreak host plants are oaks, and they=
can be quite difficult to locate in a given year, as well.=C2=A0 Oaks are =
everywhere too.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not heard anyone say that E=
. Pine Elfins spend tons of time in the canopy of pine trees; if they did, =
that would explain why so few are actually seen.=C2=A0 We DO know that both=
Juniper and Hessel&#39;s hairstreaks spend most of the day well up in the =
2 cedar species; we can see them fly up to higher branches when disturbed f=
rom a flower, and people with long nets can beat on branches well up and at=
times flush one.=C2=A0 Early Hairstreaks seemingly spend most of the day w=
ell up or in hardwood trees, rarely coming to the ground or a low flower.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 So -- I wouldn&#39;t rule out that Pine Elfins spend much time=
well up in pine trees, but I don&#39;t know if this has been reported.<br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, most of us are lucky to see one in a given y=
ear, and you almost need to be out every day or several times a week in the=
spring season to stumble onto one, as there is absolutely no way to target=
where and when to find one!=C2=A0 My best advice is to walk along the marg=
ins of pine or mixed woods or pine thickets and look for some flowering shr=
ubs like plums.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve seen a few on dirt roads, some in powerline =
clearings on various flowers, etc.=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div>Good=
luck, and don&#39;t look for pines to make your search.<br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>Harry LeGrand<br> </div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:52 AM ROBERT =
CAVANAUGH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>"><carolinaleps...>=
u</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
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>Every several years I will see a Pine Elfin here in Carteret but consideri=
ng that pine is the most abundant tree on coastal Carolina, why are these b=
utterflies so rare?=C2=A0 It makes me wonder if pine is really the preferre=
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84">Over the years of reading this list service I don&#39;t recall many sig=
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039yMail_cursorElementTracker_1616773893218">Thoughts from others.... ?<br>=
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