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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:55:38 -0400
From: Dennis Forsythe (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Pine Elfin question

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I saw my 1st Pine Elfin in I'On Swamp. Charleston Co. in 2000 and I did not
see another until 8 years later.


Dennis

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:42 PM Harry LeGrand <carolinaleps...>
wrote:

> Bob -- Don' t even begin to think you are the first person to wonder why
> this species is so scarce in its overall range, and not just in NC!! I am
> quite sure that various pines indeed are hostplants, as is well discussed.
> And, as the species has been recorded nearly statewide, it isn't limited to
> just Virginia Pine (scarce in the Coastal Plain), etc. White-M Hairstreak
> host plants are oaks, and they can be quite difficult to locate in a given
> year, as well. Oaks are everywhere too.
>
> I have not heard anyone say that E. Pine Elfins spend tons of time in the
> canopy of pine trees; if they did, that would explain why so few are
> actually seen. We DO know that both Juniper and Hessel's hairstreaks spend
> most of the day well up in the 2 cedar species; we can see them fly up to
> higher branches when disturbed from a flower, and people with long nets can
> beat on branches well up and at times flush one. Early Hairstreaks
> seemingly spend most of the day well up or in hardwood trees, rarely coming
> to the ground or a low flower. So -- I wouldn't rule out that Pine Elfins
> spend much time well up in pine trees, but I don't know if this has been
> reported.
>
> Yes, most of us are lucky to see one in a given year, and you almost need
> to be out every day or several times a week in the spring season to stumble
> onto one, as there is absolutely no way to target where and when to find
> one! My best advice is to walk along the margins of pine or mixed woods or
> pine thickets and look for some flowering shrubs like plums. I've seen a
> few on dirt roads, some in powerline clearings on various flowers, etc.
>
> Good luck, and don't look for pines to make your search.
>
> Harry LeGrand
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:52 AM ROBERT CAVANAUGH <carolinaleps...>
> wrote:
>
>> Every several years I will see a Pine Elfin here in Carteret but
>> considering that pine is the most abundant tree on coastal Carolina, why
>> are these butterflies so rare? It makes me wonder if pine is really the
>> preferred host. Loblolly pine is the dominant species here.
>>
>> Over the years of reading this list service I don't recall many sightings
>> mentioned.
>>
>> Thoughts from others.... ?
>>
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South Carolina Christmas Bird Count Editor
South Carolina eButterfly reviewer
Emeritus Professor of Biology
The Citadel
171 Moultrie St,
Charleston, SC 29409
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I saw my 1st Pine Elfin in I&#39;On Swamp. Charleston Co. =
in 2000 and I did not see another until 8 years later.<div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>Dennis</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:42 PM Harry LeGrand &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>Bob -- Don&#39; t even begin to think you are the first person t=
o wonder why this species is so scarce in its overall range, and not just i=
n NC!!=C2=A0 I am quite sure that various pines indeed are hostplants, as i=
s well discussed.=C2=A0 And, as the species has been recorded nearly statew=
ide, it isn&#39;t limited to just Virginia Pine (scarce in the Coastal Plai=
n), etc.=C2=A0 White-M Hairstreak host plants are oaks, and they can be qui=
te difficult to locate in a given year, as well.=C2=A0 Oaks are everywhere =
too.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not heard anyone say that E. Pine Elfi=
ns spend tons of time in the canopy of pine trees; if they did, that would =
explain why so few are actually seen.=C2=A0 We DO know that both Juniper an=
d Hessel&#39;s hairstreaks spend most of the day well up in the 2 cedar spe=
cies; we can see them fly up to higher branches when disturbed from a flowe=
r, and people with long nets can beat on branches well up and at times flus=
h one.=C2=A0 Early Hairstreaks seemingly spend most of the day well up or i=
n hardwood trees, rarely coming to the ground or a low flower.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
So -- I wouldn&#39;t rule out that Pine Elfins spend much time well up in p=
ine trees, but I don&#39;t know if this has been reported.<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Yes, most of us are lucky to see one in a given year, and you =
almost need to be out every day or several times a week in the spring seaso=
n to stumble onto one, as there is absolutely no way to target where and wh=
en to find one!=C2=A0 My best advice is to walk along the margins of pine o=
r mixed woods or pine thickets and look for some flowering shrubs like plum=
s.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve seen a few on dirt roads, some in powerline clearings on =
various flowers, etc.=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div>Good luck, and do=
n&#39;t look for pines to make your search.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ha=
rry LeGrand<br> </div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:52 AM ROBERT CAVANAUGH &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank">carolinaleps@du=
ke.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex">Every several years I will see a Pine Elfin here in Carteret but cons=
idering that pine is the most abundant tree on coastal Carolina, why are th=
ese butterflies so rare?=C2=A0 It makes me wonder if pine is really the pre=
ferred host.=C2=A0 Loblolly pine is the dominant species here.<div id=3D"gm=
ail-m_-1369231671502894183gmail-m_-8806943530809140039yMail_cursorElementTr=
acker_1616773807634"><br></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-1369231671502894183gmail=
-m_-8806943530809140039yMail_cursorElementTracker_1616773808084">Over the y=
ears of reading this list service I don&#39;t recall many sightings mention=
ed.</div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-1369231671502894183gmail-m_-880694353080914003=
9yMail_cursorElementTracker_1616773892927"><br></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-13=
69231671502894183gmail-m_-8806943530809140039yMail_cursorElementTracker_161=
6773893218">Thoughts from others.... ?<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_-136923167=
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il-m_-1369231671502894183gmail-m_-8806943530809140039ymail_android_signatur=
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?pid=3DInProduct&amp;c=3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUs=
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on Android</a></div></div></blockquote></div>
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class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dennis M. Forsythe PhD<div>South Carolin=
a Christmas Bird Count Editor</div><div>South Carolina eButterfly reviewer<=
/div><div>Emeritus Professor of Biology</div><div>The Citadel</div><div><di=
v><div>171 Moultrie St,<br>Charleston, SC 29409<br>843.795.3996-home<br>843=
.953.7264-fax<br>843.708.1605-cell<br><a href=3D"mailto:dennis.forsythe@gma=
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