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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:31:59 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: march leps + question(s) about azures

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I can answer some or most with assurance, as I am the one who enters all
records into an Excel file, for Tom Howard to add to the NC butterfly
database at the end of the year -- to produce the annually-updated flight
charts for the website. So, try to send the listserve your sightings, but
you can certainly skip that single E Tiger Swallowtail or Cabbage White,
etc. You can gather them like you did if you have a bunch of tiny lists
like that. But, many or most of us like to go ahead and send a list that
day or evening, especially with 5 or more species. But, absolutely do not
send the listserve just a few of your double-digit counts; we all want to
see a complete list, as -- again -- we try to make the flight charts
meaningful.

As for the azures, the other Harry (Pavulaan), in northern VA, has studied
them and raised them, and even described a few species. But, an azure
hanging around an evergreen holly I would indeed assume is a Holly Azure.
Rich Cech's book quotes folks as saying that other azure species'
caterpillars reject feeding on holly flowers/buds -- all azure larvae feed
essentially on flowers and flower buds and not on leaves -- but of course
the Holly Azure does feed on those flowers.

You cannot assume an azure in late March is a Summer Azure. The female
Spring Azure lays eggs on buds of Flowering Dogwood, and as that species is
showing buds in late March and into April, the Spring Azure should be
flying now in the Piedmont. It DOES seem to be rare now in most of the
Piedmont, if it ever were really common -- just that 10 or more years ago
we were not aware of the first (early spring) brood of Summer Azure, which
is fairly common in the first half of March until now. I cannot even
recall if I have seen a genuine Spring Azure in the Triangle, but certainly
in the mountains and foothills I have and it is not scarce there. Spring
Azure tends to be "ashy" gray below, more like a Gray Hairstreak ground
color, whereas Summer is paler, very pale pearly gray now and almost
whitish in later broods. Beware that Summer Azure when worn loses some
whie scales and looks ashy/sooty gray below, but in such case you should
note a more worn wing margin. If seemingly with intact wing margins --
fresh-looking -- ashy gray ground color and spots that are dark gray or
brownish-sooty, instead of black, it likely is a Spring. Note that some
forms of Spring Azure have various dark gray to blackish markings -- see
some field guides. I DO see these forms in the mountains but not in the
lower Piedmont.

Harry LeGrand
Raleigh



On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 8:01 AM Matt Spangler <carolinaleps...> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m relatively new to the listserv and trying to get a feel for w=
hether to
> report every single sighting, or only rare sightings, or only impressive
> double-digit checklists, etc. I haven=E2=80=99t seen too many leps so far=
this
> year, so I figured I=E2=80=99d wait to send an email until I saw some =E2=
=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D ones.
>
>
>
> On 3/28, at the Sandhills Community College gardens (Moore Co) I saw the
> following:
>
> ETS 3
>
> Cloudless Sulphur 2
>
> Henry=E2=80=99s Elfin 3 (one ovipositing on Am. Holly)
>
> Azure sp. 2.
>
>
>
> *I have a question about the azures. *Two of them were flying high around
> one or two American Hollies, occasionally landing near the top (but only
> for an instant) (perhaps ovipositing, but I couldn=E2=80=99t tell), then =
departing
> to continue circling the area, always sticking close to the holly trees. =
Do
> you think it=E2=80=99s safe to call the azures Holly Azures given their a=
ffinity
> for the hollies, or might they be spring-form Summers? I read over the
> reference material that Salman shared earlier this spring, and it seems
> that either are possible. I got some poor quality pictures; I expect they
> will not be helpful, but here they are anyway:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/checklis=
ts/view/107716__;!!OToaGQ!87lNMRdwzCavM3sh4kHKsHdOhEJoctS-Znv5XFhu8ss7OL_C-=
XKUvto8sa36DzjHX6Q$=20
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/checkli=
sts/view/107716__;!!OToaGQ!_57K8ila57uowa_0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cgd8jt3pFx=
Pb_pXJ5GibSPhUIj-bM$>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> Other sightings from March:
>
>
>
> 3/27, Orange Co, Occoneechee Mountain SNA
>
> ETS 1
>
> Azure sp. 1 *(Another azure question=E2=80=94is it safe to call these spr=
ing-form
> Summer?* Does anyone have more precise date ranges for when Spring Azures
> fly in the piedmont?)
>
> (no elfins)
>
>
>
> 3/26 Chatham Co, Home
>
> Falcate Orangetip 2
>
> ETS 1
>
>
>
> 3/22 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF
>
> ETS 1
>
>
>
> 3/18 Chatham Co, Home
>
> Falcate Orangetip 1
>
>
>
> 3/14 Chatham Co, Home
>
> Question Mark 1
>
> Falcate Orangetip 1
>
> Azure sp. 1* (same question as above, but from 3/14)*
>
>
>
> 3/14 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF
>
> Azure sp. 4 (same)
>
>
>
> 3/12 Pender Co, Holly Shelter GL
>
> Cloudless Sulphur 2
>
>
>
> 3/9 Chatham Co, Home
>
> Question Mark 1
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Matt Spangler
>
> Chatham Co, NC
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spanglerwoodbirds.com__;!!OToaGQ!87lN=
MRdwzCavM3sh4kHKsHdOhEJoctS-Znv5XFhu8ss7OL_C-XKUvto8sa36c6BX_wo$=20
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spanglerwoodbirds.com__;!!OToaGQ!_57=
K8ila57uowa_0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cgd8jt3pFxPb_pXJ5GibSP3P_MXZA$>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I can answer some or most with assurance, as I am the=
one who enters all records into an Excel file, for Tom Howard to add to th=
e NC butterfly database at the end of the year -- to produce the annually-u=
pdated flight charts for the website.=C2=A0 So, try to send the listserve y=
our sightings, but you can certainly skip that single E Tiger Swallowtail o=
r Cabbage White, etc.=C2=A0 You can gather them like you did if you have a =
bunch of tiny lists like that.=C2=A0 But, many or most of us like to go ahe=
ad and send a list that day or evening, especially with 5 or more species.=
=C2=A0 But, absolutely do not send the listserve just a few of your double-=
digit counts; we all want to see a complete list, as -- again -- we try to =
make the flight charts meaningful.</div><div><br></div><div>As for the azur=
es, the other Harry (Pavulaan), in northern VA, has studied them and raised=
them, and even described a few species.=C2=A0 But, an azure hanging around=
an evergreen holly I would indeed assume is a Holly Azure.=C2=A0 Rich Cech=
&#39;s book quotes folks as saying that other azure species&#39; caterpilla=
rs reject feeding on holly flowers/buds -- all azure larvae feed essentiall=
y on flowers and flower buds and not on leaves -- but of course the Holly A=
zure does feed on those flowers.<br></div><div><br></div><div>You cannot as=
sume an azure in late March is a Summer Azure. The female Spring Azure lays=
eggs on buds of Flowering Dogwood, and as that species is showing buds in =
late March and into April, the Spring Azure should be flying now in the Pie=
dmont.=C2=A0 It DOES seem to be rare now in most of the Piedmont, if it eve=
r were really common -- just that 10 or more years ago we were not aware of=
the first (early spring) brood of Summer Azure, which is fairly common in =
the first half of March until now.=C2=A0 I cannot even recall if I have see=
n a genuine Spring Azure in the Triangle, but certainly in the mountains an=
d foothills I have and it is not scarce there.=C2=A0 Spring Azure tends to =
be &quot;ashy&quot; gray below, more like a Gray Hairstreak ground color, w=
hereas Summer is paler, very pale pearly gray now and almost whitish in lat=
er broods.=C2=A0 Beware that Summer Azure when worn loses some whie scales =
and looks ashy/sooty gray below, but in such case you should note a more wo=
rn wing margin.=C2=A0 If seemingly with intact wing margins -- fresh-lookin=
g -- ashy gray ground color and spots that are dark gray or brownish-sooty,=
instead of black, it likely is a Spring.=C2=A0 Note that some forms of Spr=
ing Azure have various dark gray to blackish markings -- see some field gui=
des.=C2=A0 I DO see these forms in the mountains but not in the lower Piedm=
ont.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand</div><div>Raleigh<br></div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 8:01 AM Matt Spangler &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5773125648604284096WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m relatively new to the listserv and tryin=
g to get a feel for whether to report every single sighting, or only rare s=
ightings, or only impressive double-digit checklists, etc. I haven=E2=80=99=
t seen too many leps so far this year, so I figured
I=E2=80=99d wait to send an email until I saw some =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D =
ones. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 3/28, at the Sandhills Community College gardens =
(Moore Co) I saw the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ETS 3<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cloudless Sulphur 2<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Henry=E2=80=99s Elfin 3 (one ovipositing on Am. Holl=
y)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Azure sp. 2.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>I have a question about the azures. </b>Two of th=
em were flying high around one or two American Hollies, occasionally landin=
g near the top (but only for an instant) (perhaps ovipositing, but I couldn=
=E2=80=99t tell), then departing to continue
circling the area, always sticking close to the holly trees. Do you think =
it=E2=80=99s safe to call the azures Holly Azures given their affinity for =
the hollies, or might they be spring-form Summers? I read over the referenc=
e material that Salman shared earlier this
spring, and it seems that either are possible. I got some poor quality pic=
tures; I expect they will not be helpful, but here they are anyway:
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en=
/checklists/view/107716__;!!OToaGQ!_57K8ila57uowa_0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cg=
d8jt3pFxPb_pXJ5GibSPhUIj-bM$" target=3D"_blank">https://www.e-butterfly.org=
/ebapp/en/checklists/view/107716</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other sightings from March:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/27, Orange Co, Occoneechee Mountain SNA<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ETS 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Azure sp. 1 <b>(Another azure question=E2=80=94is it=
safe to call these spring-form Summer?</b> Does anyone have more precise d=
ate ranges for when Spring Azures fly in the piedmont?)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(no elfins)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/26 Chatham Co, Home<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Falcate Orangetip 2<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ETS 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/22 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ETS 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/18 Chatham Co, Home<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Falcate Orangetip 1 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/14 Chatham Co, Home<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Question Mark 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Falcate Orangetip 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Azure sp. 1<b> (same question as above, but from 3/1=
4)</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/14 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Azure sp. 4 (same)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/12 Pender Co, Holly Shelter GL<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cloudless Sulphur 2<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3/9 Chatham Co, Home<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Question Mark 1<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Matt Spangler<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chatham Co, NC<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spang=
lerwoodbirds.com__;!!OToaGQ!_57K8ila57uowa_0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cgd8jt3pF=
xPb_pXJ5GibSP3P_MXZA$" target=3D"_blank">https://spanglerwoodbirds.com</a>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>

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