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| List: Carolina-Leps Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:26:05 -0400 From: Jan Hansen (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...> Subject: Re: march leps + question(s) about azures |
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--Apple-Mail-22E11B45-3DF2-4708-94ED-6B5C283041F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Hi Jeff and everyone, I was not aware that Summer Azures have been documented using hollies, and = given that information, I=E2=80=99m wondering if any azure in the Coastal P= lain should be reported as Summer/ Holly Azure if a diagnostic photo isn=E2= =80=99t provided.=20 I have been operating under the assumption that an azure that is hanging ar= ound and seemingly attracted to a holly can be safely called a Holly Azure,= but now that seems like a faulty assumption. Perhaps a better assumption i= s that it is highly likely to be a Holly Azure, but could be a Summer Azur= e, and given that possibility, regardless of how slim, is it better to simp= ly report Holly/Summer Azure? I=E2=80=99m reminded of the =E2=80=9CWestern Flycatcher=E2=80=9D complex in= the birding world. I feel confident that any =E2=80=9Cwestern type=E2=80= =9D flycatcher that turns up in the east is almost certainly a Pacific-slop= e Flycatcher, but unless I hear it I can=E2=80=99t rule out the possibility= of it being a Cordilleran. Hence I am unwilling to label any non-vocalizin= g member of this complex, despite knowing that the odds heavily favor Pacif= ic-slope given its tendency to wander widely versus the more sedentary natu= re of Cordilleran.=20 It sounds as though I should be treating Summer and Holly Azures in the sam= e way. Any thoughts on this conundrum would be appreciated.=20 Jan Hansen Chapel Hill NC 919-259-9423 https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.otusasiotours.com__;!!OToaGQ!4X-J5y4= 0iiK6cFjqFdVSJxqKMKnFMK0j6CYPZQ6ytiRDVDN177hzB90Yb731L5In2O8$=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Jeff Pippen <carolinaleps...> wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi Matt and All, >=20 > Great questions and nice sightings! >=20 > Regarding posting every sighting, common or rare, yes, if you would like = to do that, we are always happy to read them! Harry LeGrand additionally r= ecords the data in a master spreadsheet he uses to update the annual Notes = on the Butterflies of NC Approximation by him and Tom Howard. Personally, = if there=E2=80=99s only a few common things on a day=E2=80=99s list, I don= =E2=80=99t post them, but I enter them into a spreadsheet that I send to Ha= rry & Tom at the end of the year, so they end up with a complete record of = all my sightings. I=E2=80=99m sure they=E2=80=99d be happy to have you do = that as well, if you=E2=80=99d like. >=20 > Re: your azures, to be SURE, you would want to get a good photo/specimen = of the upper sides. Both Summer and Holly Azures can use American Holly for= a host plant, and Spring Azure could certainly be on the wing now, too. N= ote that the use of hollies by Summer Azure is a relatively newly documente= d phenomenon so may not be in the references. >=20 > Cheers, > Jeff > -- > Jeffrey S. Pippen > Durham, NC=20 > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jeffpippen.com/__;!!OToaGQ!4X-J5y4= 0iiK6cFjqFdVSJxqKMKnFMK0j6CYPZQ6ytiRDVDN177hzB90Yb731pYmbh5I$=20 >=20 >> On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Matt Spangler (via carolinaleps Mailing Lis= t) <carolinaleps...> wrote: >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m relatively new to the listserv and trying to get a feel for = whether to report every single sighting, or only rare sightings, or only im= pressive double-digit checklists, etc. I haven=E2=80=99t seen too many leps= so far this year, so I figured I=E2=80=99d wait to send an email until I s= aw some =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D ones.=20 >>=20=20 >> On 3/28, at the Sandhills Community College gardens (Moore Co) I saw the= following: >> ETS 3 >> Cloudless Sulphur 2 >> Henry=E2=80=99s Elfin 3 (one ovipositing on Am. Holly) >> Azure sp. 2. >>=20=20 >> I have a question about the azures. Two of them were flying high around = one or two American Hollies, occasionally landing near the top (but only fo= r an instant) (perhaps ovipositing, but I couldn=E2=80=99t tell), then depa= rting to continue circling the area, always sticking close to the holly tre= es. Do you think it=E2=80=99s safe to call the azures Holly Azures given th= eir affinity for the hollies, or might they be spring-form Summers? I read = over the reference material that Salman shared earlier this spring, and it = seems that either are possible. I got some poor quality pictures; I expect = they will not be helpful, but here they are anyway: https://urldefense.com/= v3/__https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/checklists/view/107716__;!!OToaGQ= !4X-J5y40iiK6cFjqFdVSJxqKMKnFMK0j6CYPZQ6ytiRDVDN177hzB90Yb731--ICwpU$ . >>=20=20 >>=20=20 >> Other sightings from March: >>=20=20 >> 3/27, Orange Co, Occoneechee Mountain SNA >> ETS 1 >> Azure sp. 1 (Another azure question=E2=80=94is it safe to call these spr= ing-form Summer? Does anyone have more precise date ranges for when Spring = Azures fly in the piedmont?) >> (no elfins) >>=20=20 >> 3/26 Chatham Co, Home >> Falcate Orangetip 2 >> ETS 1 >>=20=20 >> 3/22 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF >> ETS 1 >>=20=20 >> 3/18 Chatham Co, Home >> Falcate Orangetip 1=20 >>=20=20 >> 3/14 Chatham Co, Home >> Question Mark 1 >> Falcate Orangetip 1 >> Azure sp. 1 (same question as above, but from 3/14) >>=20=20 >> 3/14 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF >> Azure sp. 4 (same) >>=20=20 >> 3/12 Pender Co, Holly Shelter GL >> Cloudless Sulphur 2 >>=20=20 >> 3/9 Chatham Co, Home >> Question Mark 1 >>=20=20 >> Best, >>=20=20 >> Matt Spangler >> Chatham Co, NC >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spanglerwoodbirds.com__;!!OToaGQ!4X-= J5y40iiK6cFjqFdVSJxqKMKnFMK0j6CYPZQ6ytiRDVDN177hzB90Yb731ve_oT9k$=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-22E11B45-3DF2-4708-94ED-6B5C283041F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi Jeff and everyone,<div><br></div><di= v>I was not aware that Summer Azures have been documented using hollies, an= d given that information, I=E2=80=99m wondering if any azure in the Coastal= Plain should be reported as Summer/ Holly Azure if a diagnostic photo isn= =E2=80=99t provided. </div><div><br></div><div>I have been operating u= nder the assumption that an azure that is hanging around and seemingly attr= acted to a holly can be safely called a Holly Azure, but now that seems lik= e a faulty assumption. Perhaps a better assumption is that it is highly lik= ely to be a Holly Azure, but could be a Summer Azure, and given that = possibility, regardless of how slim, is it better to simply report Holly/Su= mmer Azure?</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m reminded of the =E2=80=9CW= estern Flycatcher=E2=80=9D complex in the birding world. I feel confident t= hat any =E2=80=9Cwestern type=E2=80=9D flycatcher that turns up in the east= is almost certainly a Pacific-slope Flycatcher, but unless I hear it I can= =E2=80=99t rule out the possibility of it being a Cordilleran. Hence I am u= nwilling to label any non-vocalizing member of this complex, despite knowin= g that the odds heavily favor Pacific-slope given its tendency to wander wi= dely versus the more sedentary nature of Cordilleran. </div><div><br><= /div><div>It sounds as though I should be treating Summer and Holly Azures = in the same way. Any thoughts on this conundrum would be appreciated. = </div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jan Hansen</div><di= v>Chapel Hill NC</div><div>919-259-9423</div><div><a href=3D"https://urldef= ense.com/v3/__http://www.otusasiotours.com__;!!OToaGQ!4X-J5y40iiK6cFjqFdVSJ= xqKMKnFMK0j6CYPZQ6ytiRDVDN177hzB90Yb731L5In2O8$">www.otusasiotours.com</a><= /div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquo= te type=3D"cite">On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Jeff Pippen <carolinaleps= @duke.edu> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/h= tml charset=3Dutf-8">Hi Matt and All,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><= div class=3D"">Great questions and nice sightings!</div><div class=3D""><br= class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Regarding posting every sighting, common = or rare, yes, if you would like to do that, we are always happy to read the= m! Harry LeGrand additionally records the data in a master spreadshee= t he uses to update the annual Notes on the Butterflies of NC Approximation= by him and Tom Howard. Personally, if there=E2=80=99s only a few com= mon things on a day=E2=80=99s list, I don=E2=80=99t post them, but I enter = them into a spreadsheet that I send to Harry & Tom at the end of the ye= ar, so they end up with a complete record of all my sightings. I=E2= =80=99m sure they=E2=80=99d be happy to have you do that as well, if you=E2= =80=99d like.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Re:= your azures, to be SURE, you would want to get a good photo/specimen of th= e upper sides. Both Summer and Holly Azures can use American Holly for a ho= st plant, and Spring Azure could certainly be on the wing now, too. N= ote that the use of hollies by Summer Azure is a relatively newly documente= d phenomenon so may not be in the references.</div><div class=3D""><br clas= s=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"">Jeff<br class=3D"= "><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; t= ext-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: norm= al; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-w= rap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-= space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: norma= l; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none= ; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke= -width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-= break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">--</d= iv><div class=3D"">Jeffrey S. Pippen</div><div class=3D"">Durham, NC <= /div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.jeff= pippen.com/__;!!OToaGQ!4_3p8J4gVlbbxxii-PLBqsOFbFpogQ-U3yflXPMVWEYiqGtJbCCj= EnPFNhv-BUMzEKE$" class=3D"">http://www.jeffpippen.com/</a></div></div></di= v></div> </div> <br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On= Mar 29, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Matt Spangler (via carolinaleps Mailing List) &l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" class=3D""><carolinaleps...>= </a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"= "><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: Hel= vetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; fon= t-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start;= text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;= word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: = 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I=E2=80= =99m relatively new to the listserv and trying to get a feel for whether to= report every single sighting, or only rare sightings, or only impressive d= ouble-digit checklists, etc. I haven=E2=80=99t seen too many leps so far th= is year, so I figured I=E2=80=99d wait to send an email until I saw some = =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D ones.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </s= pan><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;= font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p>= </div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, san= s-serif;" class=3D"">On 3/28, at the Sandhills Community College gardens (M= oore Co) I saw the following:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"marg= in: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">ETS= 3<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; f= ont-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cloudless Sulphur 2<o:p class= =3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Henry=E2=80=99s Elfin 3 (one ovipositing o= n Am. Holly)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-siz= e: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Azure sp. 2.<o:p cla= ss=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family= : Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div s= tyle=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" cl= ass=3D""><b class=3D"">I have a question about the azures.<span class=3D"Ap= ple-converted-space"> </span></b>Two of them were flying high around o= ne or two American Hollies, occasionally landing near the top (but only for= an instant) (perhaps ovipositing, but I couldn=E2=80=99t tell), then depar= ting to continue circling the area, always sticking close to the holly tree= s. Do you think it=E2=80=99s safe to call the azures Holly Azures given the= ir affinity for the hollies, or might they be spring-form Summers? I read o= ver the reference material that Salman shared earlier this spring, and it s= eems that either are possible. I got some poor quality pictures; I expect t= hey will not be helpful, but here they are anyway:<span class=3D"Apple-conv= erted-space"> </span><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ww= w.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/checklists/view/107716__;!!OToaGQ!_57K8ila57uowa= _0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cgd8jt3pFxPb_pXJ5GibSPhUIj-bM$" style=3D"color: rgb= (5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">https://www.e-butterf= ly.org/ebapp/en/checklists/view/107716</a>.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div= style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" = class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fon= t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""= > </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:= Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Other sightings from March:<o:p class=3D"= "></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cali= bri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style= =3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class= =3D"">3/27, Orange Co, Occoneechee Mountain SNA<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div>= <div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri= f;" class=3D"">ETS 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Azure sp. 1<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">(Another az= ure question=E2=80=94is it safe to call these spring-form Summer?</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Does anyone have more precise = date ranges for when Spring Azures fly in the piedmont?)<o:p class=3D""></o= :p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif;" class=3D"">(no elfins)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style= =3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class= =3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-siz= e: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">3/26 Chatham Co, Hom= e<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; fo= nt-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Falcate Orangetip 2<o:p class= =3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">ETS 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div styl= e=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class= =3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-siz= e: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">3/22 Chatham Co, Jor= dan Lake ESF<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-siz= e: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">ETS 1<o:p class=3D""= ></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calib= ri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D= "margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"= ">3/18 Chatham Co, Home<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0i= n; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Falcate O= rangetip 1<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=3D"= "></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cali= bri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style= =3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class= =3D"">3/14 Chatham Co, Home<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin= : 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Quest= ion Mark 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size:= 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Falcate Orangetip 1<o:= p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-f= amily: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Azure sp. 1<b class=3D""><span clas= s=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>(same question as above, but from = 3/14)</b><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> <= /o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri= , sans-serif;" class=3D"">3/14 Chatham Co, Jordan Lake ESF<o:p class=3D""><= /o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri= , sans-serif;" class=3D"">Azure sp. 4 (same)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><di= v style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"= class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fo= nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">3/12 Pender Co= , Holly Shelter GL<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fo= nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cloudless Sulp= hur 2<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt= ; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p= ></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sa= ns-serif;" class=3D"">3/9 Chatham Co, Home<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" c= lass=3D"">Question Mark 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p cl= ass=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font= -family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Best,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div>= <div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri= f;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in;= font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Matt Spangl= er<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; f= ont-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chatham Co, NC<o:p class=3D"">= </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibr= i, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://s= panglerwoodbirds.com__;!!OToaGQ!_57K8ila57uowa_0c9YBwgnYphmVoULCKYfob1Cgd8j= t3pFxPb_pXJ5GibSP3P_MXZA$" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration= : underline;" class=3D"">https://spanglerwoodbirds.com</a></div></div></div= ></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div></body></= html>= --Apple-Mail-22E11B45-3DF2-4708-94ED-6B5C283041F7-- |
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