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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 15:55:31 -0400
From: Salman Abdulali (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: more name changes?


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It was just pointed out to me that Crossline is back in Polites, Limocheres=
now being a subgenus of Polites.

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List=
) <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>=20
> OK. I just made this name change on the Butterflies of North Carolina we=
bsite now.=20=20
> Looking at Pelham 2021, this change does NOT change the checklist order, =
thankfully:
>=20
> Tawny-edged Skipper (Polites themistocles)
> Peck's Skipper (P. peckius)
> Southern Broken-dash (P. otho)
> Northern Broken-dash (P.egeremet)
> Little Glassywing (Vernia verna)
>=20
> Note that the seemingly very similar Crossline Skipper was moved out of P=
olites about 2 years ago to Limochores -- not that I remember that new name!
>=20
> The only troubling thing is that I fear that Mr. Wallengren -- presumably=
Hans Daniel Johan Wallengren -- is likely turning over in his grave -- as =
he's lost (the only??) two species named after him.
>=20
> Harry LeGrand
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:50 AM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>=
m <mailto:<salman.abdulali...>> wrote:
> Another change in Pelham=E2=80=99s catalog:
>=20
> Wallengrenia is now a subgenus of Polites. The two Broken-Dashes are Poli=
tes otho and Polites egeremet.
>=20
> Salman Abdulali
>=20
>=20
>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> <mailto:=
<hlegrandjr...>> wrote:
>>=20
>> Technically, yes, it is too late to get into the 28th Approximation -- t=
hough Tom could re-do it with the 4 revised pages. but, it's probably not =
worth doing, as that is simply a name change, and not some substantial data=
change that we feel is needed before we bother with "upsetting the apple c=
art".
>>=20
>> What I have just done -- I went into each of the 4 species accounts and =
edited the name from Speyeria xxxxx to now Argynnis xxxxx. So, when you go=
to a species page on the website:
>>=20
>> Butterflies of North Carolina (ncparks.gov) <https://urldefense.com/v3/_=
_https://auth1.dpr.ncparks.gov/nbnc/a/accounts.php__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSA=
OOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzXsHkjFNzUEF0PQkCYM$>=20
>>=20
>> you will see the new name -- Argynnis diana, for example, with Speyeria =
diana as the synonym. And, if you click on the PDF for each of the four sp=
ecies (Diana, Great Spangled, Aphrodite, and Regal), you will see the new n=
ame on the PDF. So, for example, if you printed out a paper set of the 28t=
h, if you want you can print out each of these 4 pages and replace them in =
your spiral binder, etc. (I simply saved the 28th to my computer, as most =
of you may have done. So, I'm going to leave that alone.)
>>=20
>> FYI -- here is the link to the revised Pelham catalogue, now dates as re=
vised to 28 January 2021. I bookmark this on my computer, in case I want t=
o get to it easily.
>>=20
>> A Catalogue of the Butterflies of the United States and Canada by Jonath=
an P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com) <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/=
/www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB=
7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzXsHkjFNzUEF7aF9SkM$>
>>=20
>> Harry LeGrand
>>=20
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:14 AM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali@icloud.=
com <mailto:<salman.abdulali...>> wrote:
>> It may be too late for the 28th, but Pelham has updated his catalog. The=
only one of these changes adopted is to treat Speyeria as a subgenus of Ar=
gynnis.
>>=20
>>> Simonsen, (2006), Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 89(4): 627-673 and Simonsen et al=
. (2006), Insect Syst. Evol. 37(4): 405-418, made compelling arguments that=
Speyeria is a synonym of Argynnis. Zhang et al. (2020), Tax. Rep. Int. Lep=
id. Surv. 8(7): 17, fig. 10, completed the task and is adopted here
>>=20
>> Salman
>>=20
>>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing Li=
st) <carolinaleps...> <mailto:<carolinaleps...>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Thanks, maybe!
>>>=20
>>> For the next approximation of the Butterflies of North Carolina (28th) =
PDF, as well as the website, I plan to wait until, or if, Pelham follows th=
ese names in his checklist, which is now the most often followed list for s=
cientific names and taxonomic sequence. His last update was 7 August 2020.=
(It does not provide common names.)
>>>=20
>>> Harry LeGrand
>>>=20
>>> A Catalogue of the Butterflies of the United States and Canada by Jonat=
han P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com) <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:=
//www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7VZbwPNameGiOWgdgC=
KrGE45ZHgUX92lDFwrPpB4z_8z0C1gfm5bMVGYwtkN1X7rYJ4$>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Salman Abdulali <carolinaleps...>=
<mailto:<carolinaleps...>> wrote:
>>> Genomic evidence suggests further changes of butterfly names
>>> Jing Zhang, Qian Cong, Jinhui Shen, Paul A. Opler and Nick V. Grishin
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/ttr=
-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!_e2EJDQiqzekoSeTpier3fr-nnkTuiEBBI1FJwBIAZ6kxMUz7gcMTtV=
rMEzgM5n2bwQ$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature=
.com/ttr/ttr-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!61GMDrezq2Pg2OzyM4OjTDzys_h3GxtECB62IrtiTLD=
I1mfAhgUC3zzWP6Ff63j1l4s$>
>>>=20
>>> According to the authors:
>>>=20
>>> Speyeria is a subgenus of Argynnis.
>>>=20
>>> The North and South American populations of the Gulf Fritillary are sep=
arate species. The North American species is Dione incarnata.
>>>=20
>>> Polygonia is a subgenus of Nymphalis.
>>>=20
>>> Salman Abdulali
>>> Greenville, NC
>>=20
>=20


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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">It =
was just pointed out to me that Crossline is back in Polites, Limocheres =
now being a subgenus of Polites.<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
2, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" =
class=3D""><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">OK.&nbsp; I just made this name change on the =
Butterflies of North Carolina website now.&nbsp; <br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">Looking at Pelham 2021, this change does NOT change the =
checklist order, thankfully:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Tawny-edged Skipper (Polites =
themistocles)<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Peck's Skipper (P. =
peckius)</div><div class=3D"">Southern Broken-dash (P. otho)</div><div =
class=3D"">Northern Broken-dash (P.egeremet)</div><div class=3D"">Little =
Glassywing (Vernia verna)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Note that the seemingly very similar Crossline Skipper was =
moved out of Polites about 2 years ago to Limochores -- not that I =
remember that new name!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The only troubling thing is that I fear that Mr. Wallengren =
-- presumably Hans Daniel Johan Wallengren -- is likely turning over in =
his grave -- as he's lost (the only??) two species named after =
him.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry =
LeGrand<br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr =
2, 2021 at 9:50 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" =
class=3D""><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D"">Another change in Pelham=E2=80=99s catalog:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Wallengrenia is now a =
subgenus of Polites. The two Broken-Dashes are Polites otho and Polites =
egeremet.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Salman=
Abdulali</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
8, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Harry LeGrand &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D""><hlegrandjr...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Technically, yes, =
it is too late to get into the 28th Approximation -- though Tom could =
re-do it with the 4 revised pages.&nbsp; but, it's probably not worth =
doing, as that is simply a name change, and not some substantial data =
change that we feel is needed before we bother with "upsetting the apple =
cart".<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">What I have just done -- <b class=3D"">I went into each of =
the 4 species accounts and edited the name from Speyeria xxxxx to now =
Argynnis xxxxx.</b>&nbsp; So, when you go to a species page on the =
website:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">

<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://auth1.dpr.ncparks.gov/nbnc/a/a=
ccounts.php__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzXs=
HkjFNzUEF0PQkCYM$" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">Butterflies of North =
Carolina (ncparks.gov)</a> <br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">you will see the new name -- Argynnis =
diana, for example, with Speyeria diana as the synonym.&nbsp; And, if =
you click on the PDF for each of the four species (Diana, Great =
Spangled, Aphrodite, and Regal), you will see the new name on the =
PDF.&nbsp; So, for example, if you printed out a paper set of the 28th, =
if you want you can print out each of these 4 pages and replace them in =
your spiral binder, etc.&nbsp; (I simply saved the 28th to my computer, =
as most of you may have done.&nbsp; So, I'm going to leave that =
alone.)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">FYI -- =
here is the link to the revised Pelham catalogue, now dates as revised =
to 28 January 2021.&nbsp; I bookmark this on my computer, in case I want =
to get to it easily.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">

<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US=
-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzX=
sHkjFNzUEF7aF9SkM$" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">A Catalogue of the =
Butterflies of the United States and Canada by Jonathan P. Pelham =
(butterfliesofamerica.com)</a>

</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry =
LeGrand<br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb =
8, 2021 at 12:14 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D""><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">It =
may be too late for the 28th, but Pelham has updated his catalog. The =
only one of these changes adopted is to treat <i class=3D"">Speyeria</i> =
as a subgenus of <i class=3D"">Argynnis</i>.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><i =
style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px" =
class=3D"">Simonsen, (2006), Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 89(4): 627-673 and =
Simonsen&nbsp;et al. (2006), Insect Syst. Evol. 37(4): 405-418, made =
compelling arguments that&nbsp;Speyeria&nbsp;is a synonym =
of&nbsp;Argynnis. Zhang et al. (2020), Tax. Rep. Int. Lepid. Surv. 8(7): =
17, fig. 10, completed the task and is adopted here</i></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Salman<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 29, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps =
Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D""><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks, maybe!</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For the next approximation of the <u =
class=3D"">Butterflies of North Carolina</u> (28th) PDF, as well as the =
website, I plan to wait until, or if, Pelham follows these names in his =
checklist, which is now the most often followed list for scientific =
names and taxonomic sequence.&nbsp; His last update was 7 August =
2020.&nbsp; (It does not provide common names.)<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry LeGrand<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">

<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US=
-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7VZbwPNameGiOWgdgCKrGE45ZHgUX92lDFwrPpB4z_8z0C1gfm=
5bMVGYwtkN1X7rYJ4$" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">A Catalogue of the =
Butterflies of the United States and Canada by Jonathan P. Pelham =
(butterfliesofamerica.com)</a>

</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Salman Abdulali =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D""><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">Genomic evidence =
suggests further changes of butterfly names<div class=3D"">Jing Zhang, =
Qian Cong, Jinhui Shen, Paul A. Opler&nbsp;and Nick V. Grishin<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/tt=
r/ttr-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!61GMDrezq2Pg2OzyM4OjTDzys_h3GxtECB62IrtiTLDI1mfAh=
gUC3zzWP6Ff63j1l4s$" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/ttr-8-7.pdf</a></div><d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">According to the =
authors:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><i =
class=3D"">Speyeria</i> is a subgenus of <i =
class=3D"">Argynnis</i>.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The North and South American populations of the Gulf =
Fritillary are separate species. The North American species is&nbsp;<i =
class=3D"">Dione incarnata</i>.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><i class=3D"">Polygonia</i> is a =
subgenus of <i class=3D"">Nymphalis</i>.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">Salman Abdulali</div><div =
class=3D"">Greenville, NC</div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>=

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