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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:10:19 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: more name changes?

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Well, thankfully, it's more than just Crossline back to Polites. So are
Long Dash and Whirlabout. Good! That's where they were for a LONG time
before getting moved out a year or two ago.

On Pelham 2021, I see:

Genus Polites
Subgenus Hedone
159. Polites vibex =3D Whirlabout
Subgenus Limochores
160. Polites origines =3D Crossline Skipper
161. Polites sonora =3D Sonora Skipper - not in the Carolinas
162. Polites mystic =3D Long Dash
Subgenus Polites
163. Polites themistocles =3D Tawny-edged Skipper
165. Polites peckius =3D Peck's Skipper

Subgenus Wallengrenia
171. Polites otho =3D Southern Broken-dash
172. Polites egeremet =3D Northern Broken-dash


I have not checked all of Pelham['s latest revision. I am changing these
genera back now to Polites for all above.

I cringe to know if other changes were made. I may let Salman do that!

Harry







On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:55 PM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>
wrote:

> It was just pointed out to me that Crossline is back in Polites,
> Limocheres now being a subgenus of Polites.
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List)
> <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>
> OK. I just made this name change on the Butterflies of North Carolina
> website now.
> Looking at Pelham 2021, this change does NOT change the checklist order,
> thankfully:
>
> Tawny-edged Skipper (Polites themistocles)
> Peck's Skipper (P. peckius)
> Southern Broken-dash (P. otho)
> Northern Broken-dash (P.egeremet)
> Little Glassywing (Vernia verna)
>
> Note that the seemingly very similar Crossline Skipper was moved out of
> Polites about 2 years ago to Limochores -- not that I remember that new
> name!
>
> The only troubling thing is that I fear that Mr. Wallengren -- presumably
> Hans Daniel Johan Wallengren -- is likely turning over in his grave -- as
> he's lost (the only??) two species named after him.
>
> Harry LeGrand
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:50 AM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>=
m>
> wrote:
>
>> Another change in Pelham=E2=80=99s catalog:
>>
>> Wallengrenia is now a subgenus of Polites. The two Broken-Dashes are
>> Polites otho and Polites egeremet.
>>
>> Salman Abdulali
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> wrote:
>>
>> Technically, yes, it is too late to get into the 28th Approximation --
>> though Tom could re-do it with the 4 revised pages. but, it's probably =
not
>> worth doing, as that is simply a name change, and not some substantial d=
ata
>> change that we feel is needed before we bother with "upsetting the apple
>> cart".
>>
>> What I have just done -- *I went into each of the 4 species accounts and
>> edited the name from Speyeria xxxxx to now Argynnis xxxxx.* So, when
>> you go to a species page on the website:
>>
>> Butterflies of North Carolina (ncparks.gov)
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://auth1.dpr.ncparks.gov/nbnc/a/accoun=
ts.php__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzXsHkjFNz=
UEF0PQkCYM$>
>>
>> you will see the new name -- Argynnis diana, for example, with Speyeria
>> diana as the synonym. And, if you click on the PDF for each of the four
>> species (Diana, Great Spangled, Aphrodite, and Regal), you will see the =
new
>> name on the PDF. So, for example, if you printed out a paper set of the
>> 28th, if you want you can print out each of these 4 pages and replace th=
em
>> in your spiral binder, etc. (I simply saved the 28th to my computer, as
>> most of you may have done. So, I'm going to leave that alone.)
>>
>> FYI -- here is the link to the revised Pelham catalogue, now dates as
>> revised to 28 January 2021. I bookmark this on my computer, in case I w=
ant
>> to get to it easily.
>>
>> A Catalogue of the Butterflies of the United States and Canada by
>> Jonathan P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com)
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can-=
Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzXsHkjFN=
zUEF7aF9SkM$>
>>
>> Harry LeGrand
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:14 AM Salman Abdulali <
>> <salman.abdulali...> wrote:
>>
>>> It may be too late for the 28th, but Pelham has updated his catalog. The
>>> only one of these changes adopted is to treat *Speyeria* as a subgenus
>>> of *Argynnis*.
>>>
>>> *Simonsen, (2006), Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 89(4): 627-673 and Simonsen et
>>> al. (2006), Insect Syst. Evol. 37(4): 405-418, made compelling arguments
>>> that Speyeria is a synonym of Argynnis. Zhang et al. (2020), Tax. Rep. =
Int.
>>> Lepid. Surv. 8(7): 17, fig. 10, completed the task and is adopted here*
>>>
>>>
>>> Salman
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing
>>> List) <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, maybe!
>>>
>>> For the next approximation of the *Butterflies of North Carolina*
>>> (28th) PDF, as well as the website, I plan to wait until, or if, Pelham
>>> follows these names in his checklist, which is now the most often follo=
wed
>>> list for scientific names and taxonomic sequence. His last update was 7
>>> August 2020. (It does not provide common names.)
>>>
>>> Harry LeGrand
>>>
>>> A Catalogue of the Butterflies of the United States and Canada by
>>> Jonathan P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com)
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/US-Can=
-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7VZbwPNameGiOWgdgCKrGE45ZHgUX92lDFwrPpB4z_8z0C1gfm5bMVG=
YwtkN1X7rYJ4$>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Salman Abdulali <carolinaleps...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Genomic evidence suggests further changes of butterfly names
>>>> Jing Zhang, Qian Cong, Jinhui Shen, Paul A. Opler and Nick V. Grishin
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/tt=
r-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!5eo5QWHDiyNWGL5ugGZauvnECfNIRoF2ybmHWKm9K3ENB0dxOXbjWm=
oMfEmFmGzpUN0$=20
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/t=
tr-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!61GMDrezq2Pg2OzyM4OjTDzys_h3GxtECB62IrtiTLDI1mfAhgUC3=
zzWP6Ff63j1l4s$>
>>>>
>>>> According to the authors:
>>>>
>>>> *Speyeria* is a subgenus of *Argynnis*.
>>>>
>>>> The North and South American populations of the Gulf Fritillary are
>>>> separate species. The North American species is *Dione incarnata*.
>>>>
>>>> *Polygonia* is a subgenus of *Nymphalis*.
>>>>
>>>> Salman Abdulali
>>>> Greenville, NC
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Well, thankfully, it&#39;s more than just Crossline b=
ack to Polites.=C2=A0 So are Long Dash and Whirlabout.=C2=A0 Good!=C2=A0 Th=
at&#39;s where they were for a LONG time before getting moved out a year or=
two ago.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Pelham 2021, I see:</div><div> <b=
r></div><div>Genus Polites</div><div>=C2=A0 Subgenus Hedone</div><div>159.=
=C2=A0 Polites vibex =3D Whirlabout=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div>=C2=A0=
Subgenus Limochores<br></div><div>160.=C2=A0 Polites origines =3D Crosslin=
e Skipper</div><div>161.=C2=A0 Polites sonora =3D Sonora Skipper=C2=A0 - no=
t in the Carolinas</div><div>162. Polites mystic =3D Long Dash</div><div>=
=C2=A0 Subgenus Polites</div><div>163.=C2=A0 Polites themistocles =3D Tawny=
-edged Skipper</div><div>165.=C2=A0 Polites peckius =3D Peck&#39;s Skipper<=
/div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 Subgenus Wallengrenia</div><div>171.=C2=A0 =
Polites otho =3D Southern Broken-dash</div><div>172.=C2=A0 Polites egeremet=
=3D Northern Broken-dash</div><br><div><br></div><div>I have not checked a=
ll of Pelham[&#39;s latest revision.=C2=A0 I am changing these genera back =
now to Polites for all above.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div>I c=
ringe to know if other changes were made.=C2=A0 I may let Salman do that!</=
div><div><br></div><div></div><div>Harry <br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:55 PM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sa=
<lman.abdulali...>"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-=
wrap: break-word;">It was just pointed out to me that Crossline is back in =
Polites, Limocheres now being a subgenus of Polites.<br><div><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div>On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Harry LeGrand (via caroli=
naleps Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D=
"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div>OK.=C2=A0 I just made this name change on the Butterflies of North C=
arolina website now.=C2=A0 <br></div><div>Looking at Pelham 2021, this chan=
ge does NOT change the checklist order, thankfully:</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Tawny-edged Skipper (Polites themistocles)<br></div><div>Peck&#39;s Skipp=
er (P. peckius)</div><div>Southern Broken-dash (P. otho)</div><div>Northern=
Broken-dash (P.egeremet)</div><div>Little Glassywing (Vernia verna)</div><=
div><br></div><div>Note that the seemingly very similar Crossline Skipper w=
as moved out of Polites about 2 years ago to Limochores -- not that I remem=
ber that new name!</div><div><br></div><div>The only troubling thing is tha=
t I fear that Mr. Wallengren -- presumably Hans Daniel Johan Wallengren -- =
is likely turning over in his grave -- as he&#39;s lost (the only??) two sp=
ecies named after him.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand<br></div><br>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:50 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:salman=
<.abdulali...>" target=3D"_blank"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Anot=
her change in Pelham=E2=80=99s catalog:<div><br></div><div>Wallengrenia is =
now a subgenus of Polites. The two Broken-Dashes are Polites otho and Polit=
es egeremet.</div><div><br></div><div>Salman Abdulali</div><div><br><div><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Harry LeGrand =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank">hlegrandjr@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Technically, yes=
, it is too late to get into the 28th Approximation -- though Tom could re-=
do it with the 4 revised pages.=C2=A0 but, it&#39;s probably not worth doin=
g, as that is simply a name change, and not some substantial data change th=
at we feel is needed before we bother with &quot;upsetting the apple cart&q=
uot;.<br></div><div><br></div><div>What I have just done -- <b>I went into =
each of the 4 species accounts and edited the name from Speyeria xxxxx to n=
ow Argynnis xxxxx.</b>=C2=A0 So, when you go to a species page on the websi=
te:</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://auth1.dpr.ncparks.gov/nbnc/a=
/accounts.php__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorzX=
sHkjFNzUEF0PQkCYM$" target=3D"_blank">Butterflies of North Carolina (ncpark=
s.gov)</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>you will see the new name -- Argyn=
nis diana, for example, with Speyeria diana as the synonym.=C2=A0 And, if y=
ou click on the PDF for each of the four species (Diana, Great Spangled, Ap=
hrodite, and Regal), you will see the new name on the PDF.=C2=A0 So, for ex=
ample, if you printed out a paper set of the 28th, if you want you can prin=
t out each of these 4 pages and replace them in your spiral binder, etc.=C2=
=A0 (I simply saved the 28th to my computer, as most of you may have done.=
=C2=A0 So, I&#39;m going to leave that alone.)</div><div><br></div><div>FYI=
-- here is the link to the revised Pelham catalogue, now dates as revised =
to 28 January 2021.=C2=A0 I bookmark this on my computer, in case I want to=
get to it easily.<br></div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/=
US-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!8nvcMELQeWpSAOOrvXB7_Htw0hI7mdovX1OeZlmhmp0IWvorz=
XsHkjFNzUEF7aF9SkM$" target=3D"_blank">A Catalogue of the Butterflies of th=
e United States and Canada by Jonathan P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com)=
</a>

</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:=
14 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" tar=
get=3D"_blank"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>It may be too late for t=
he 28th, but Pelham has updated his catalog. The only one of these changes =
adopted is to treat <i>Speyeria</i> as a subgenus of <i>Argynnis</i>.<div><=
br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><i style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">Simonsen, (2006), Biol. J. Linn. Soc. =
89(4): 627-673 and Simonsen=C2=A0et al. (2006), Insect Syst. Evol. 37(4): 4=
05-418, made compelling arguments that=C2=A0Speyeria=C2=A0is a synonym of=
=C2=A0Argynnis. Zhang et al. (2020), Tax. Rep. Int. Lepid. Surv. 8(7): 17, =
fig. 10, completed the task and is adopted here</i></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>Salman<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 29, 2020,=
at 8:00 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks, maybe!</div><div><br><=
/div><div>For the next approximation of the <u>Butterflies of North Carolin=
a</u> (28th) PDF, as well as the website, I plan to wait until, or if, Pelh=
am follows these names in his checklist, which is now the most often follow=
ed list for scientific names and taxonomic sequence.=C2=A0 His last update =
was 7 August 2020.=C2=A0 (It does not provide common names.)<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>Harry LeGrand<br></div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/=
US-Can-Cat.htm__;!!OToaGQ!7VZbwPNameGiOWgdgCKrGE45ZHgUX92lDFwrPpB4z_8z0C1gf=
m5bMVGYwtkN1X7rYJ4$" target=3D"_blank">A Catalogue of the Butterflies of th=
e United States and Canada by Jonathan P. Pelham (butterfliesofamerica.com)=
</a>

</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Genomi=
c evidence suggests further changes of butterfly names<div>Jing Zhang, Qian=
Cong, Jinhui Shen, Paul A. Opler=C2=A0and Nick V. Grishin<br><div><a href=
=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/ttr=
-8-7.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!61GMDrezq2Pg2OzyM4OjTDzys_h3GxtECB62IrtiTLDI1mfAhgUC3zz=
WP6Ff63j1l4s$" target=3D"_blank">http://lepsurvey.carolinanature.com/ttr/tt=
r-8-7.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>According to the authors:</div><div>=
<br></div><div><i>Speyeria</i> is a subgenus of <i>Argynnis</i>.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>The North and South American populations of the Gulf Fritill=
ary are separate species. The North American species is=C2=A0<i>Dione incar=
nata</i>.</div><div><br></div><div><i>Polygonia</i> is a subgenus of <i>Nym=
phalis</i>.</div><div><br></div></div><div>Salman Abdulali</div><div>Greenv=
ille, NC</div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div>

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