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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 18:34:40 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Airlie


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The woman who reported the Longwings went back to Airlie today and reported s=
ome still present. She added a video to the Facebook post of at least 1; she=
and it are definitely outdoors. Nor did she say she was in a butterfly hou=
se. So the assumption is the butterflies are outdoors. Hopefully not escap=
es from the house. =20

Harry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BFHarry,
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> I recall that last year we had an incident where someone had posted a grea=
t photo of a Great Southern White from Airlie. We approached him for permiss=
ion to post the photo on the website, and he explained that the photo was ta=
ken inside the Butterfly House of a captive butterfly.
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> Salman
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>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List)=
<carolinaleps...> wrote:
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>> Regarding Salman's comment (underline mine):
>>=20
>> " There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern Whi=
tes from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as captive; I=
believe they get them from states to our south (probably Florida)."
>>=20
>> and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsibl=
e of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies that are imported=
, or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that are free-flying. O=
f course, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly house=
s. I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have no way=
to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that butterflies canno=
t escape through a single door, or escape through any other means.
>>=20
>> Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, I and others w=
ill want clarity on this matter, and the "dozen or more" Zebra Longwings see=
n there a few days ago. Recall that there was a natural brood explosion of a=
dults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, which certainly has no butterfly hou=
se or deals in releases. And, I am not aware of other reports -- pre-2021, f=
rom Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or Great Southern Whites. And, lastly, at le=
ast Zebra Longwings often are seen around yards and gardens along the coast,=
more so in SC of course. Thus, a report of one at Airlie doesn't raise my e=
yebrow and even 12 doesn't either, as long as a free-flying adult laid eggs a=
bout 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new brood.
>>=20
>> More info?? Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- mentionin=
g "Butterflies, all native to North Carolina ,,,, Species like ... Monarch=
, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowtail ...:. " Heck, would w=
e consider Zebra Longwing and Great Southern White "native" to NC?
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>> Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens
>>=20
>> Harry LeGrand
>>=20
>>=20
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>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:
>>> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butterfly house. On the other=
hand, it also has good habitat for Longwings and Great Southern Whites stra=
ying from the south.
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>>> =20
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>>> Derb Carter
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The woman who reported the Longwings went b=
ack to Airlie today and reported some still present. She added a video to th=
e Facebook post of at least 1; she and it are definitely outdoors. &nbsp;Nor=
did she say she was in a butterfly house. &nbsp;So the assumption is the bu=
tterflies are outdoors. &nbsp;Hopefully not escapes from the house. &nbsp;<d=
iv><br></div><div>Harry<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Salm=
an Abdulali &lt;<salman.abdulali...>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"=
Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Harry,<div class=3D""><=
br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I recall that last year we had an incide=
nt where someone had posted a great photo of a Great Southern White from Air=
lie. We approached him for permission to post the photo on the website, and h=
e explained that the photo was taken inside the Butterfly House of a captive=
butterfly.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Salman=
<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div=
class=3D"">On Sep 7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mail=
ing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" class=3D"">carolinale=
<ps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div=
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Regarding Salman's c=
omment (underline mine):<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">=
</div><div class=3D"">"
There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern=20
Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as=20
captive; <u class=3D"">I believe they get them from states to our south (pro=
bably=20
Florida)."</u></div><div class=3D""><u class=3D""><br class=3D""></u></div><=
div class=3D"">and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it very i=
rresponsible of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies that a=
re imported, or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that are fre=
e-flying.&nbsp; Of course, we all know that adult butterflies can escape fro=
m butterfly houses.&nbsp; I did not even know there was a butterfly house th=
ere, but I have no way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such t=
hat butterflies cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any o=
ther means.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Becaus=
e I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, <b class=3D"">I and ot=
hers will want clarity on this matter,</b> and the "dozen or more" Zebra Lon=
gwings seen there a few days ago.&nbsp; Recall that there was a natural broo=
d explosion of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, which certainly has n=
o butterfly house or deals in releases.&nbsp; And, I am not aware of other r=
eports -- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or Great Southern Whites=
.&nbsp; And, lastly, at least Zebra Longwings often are seen around yards an=
d gardens along the coast, more so in SC of course.&nbsp; Thus, a report of o=
ne at Airlie doesn't raise my eyebrow and even 12 doesn't either, as long as=
a free-flying adult laid eggs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new=
brood.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">More info?=
?&nbsp; Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- mentioning "Butte=
rflies, all native to North Carolina&nbsp; ,,,, Species like&nbsp; ... Monar=
ch, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowtail ...:. " &nbsp; Heck, w=
ould we consider Zebra Longwing and Great Southern White "native" to NC?</di=
v><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/bu=
tterfly-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAGTk=
oI6qmfqx4aahNjGAA$" class=3D"">Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens</a>

</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry LeGrand<br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div class=3D""><u class=3D""></u></div></div><br class=3D""><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 7=
, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<derbc...>" target=
=3D"_blank" class=3D""><derbc...></a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie h=
as a butterfly house.&nbsp; On the other hand, it also has good habitat for L=
ongwings and Great Southern Whites straying from the south.<u class=3D""></u=
><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u cla=
ss=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derb Carter<u class=3D""></u><u class=
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