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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:01:24 -0400
From: Salman Abdulali (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Airlie


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Here is a link to the July sighting of a Zebra Longwing with verification t=
hat it was NOT in the butterfly house.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/904930=
06__;!!OToaGQ!6YQ11KNxbTwlJHn53EyUnFRi75EmMSo9N-bOyYBwz5oCTUFCmGke4Tp6xGTnw=
hPkZoU$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observati=
ons/90493006__;!!OToaGQ!6YQ11KNxbTwlJHn53EyUnFRi75EmMSo9N-bOyYBwz5oCTUFCmGk=
e4Tp6xGTnwhPkZoU$ >

Salman Abdulali

> On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> wrote:
>=20
> The woman who reported the Longwings went back to Airlie today and report=
ed some still present. She added a video to the Facebook post of at least 1=
; she and it are definitely outdoors. Nor did she say she was in a butterf=
ly house. So the assumption is the butterflies are outdoors. Hopefully no=
t escapes from the house.=20=20
>=20
> Harry
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>=
wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFHarry,
>>=20
>> I recall that last year we had an incident where someone had posted a gr=
eat photo of a Great Southern White from Airlie. We approached him for perm=
ission to post the photo on the website, and he explained that the photo wa=
s taken inside the Butterfly House of a captive butterfly.
>>=20
>> Salman
>>=20
>>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing Lis=
t) <carolinaleps...> <mailto:<carolinaleps...>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Regarding Salman's comment (underline mine):
>>>=20
>>> " There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern W=
hites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as captiv=
e; I believe they get them from states to our south (probably Florida)."
>>>=20
>>> and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsi=
ble of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies that are impor=
ted, or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that are free-flyin=
g. Of course, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly=
houses. I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have=
no way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that butterfli=
es cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any other means.
>>>=20
>>> Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, I and other=
s will want clarity on this matter, and the "dozen or more" Zebra Longwings=
seen there a few days ago. Recall that there was a natural brood explosio=
n of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, which certainly has no butter=
fly house or deals in releases. And, I am not aware of other reports -- pr=
e-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or Great Southern Whites. And, las=
tly, at least Zebra Longwings often are seen around yards and gardens along=
the coast, more so in SC of course. Thus, a report of one at Airlie doesn=
't raise my eyebrow and even 12 doesn't either, as long as a free-flying ad=
ult laid eggs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new brood.
>>>=20
>>> More info?? Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- mention=
ing "Butterflies, all native to North Carolina ,,,, Species like ... Mona=
rch, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowtail ...:. " Heck, wou=
ld we consider Zebra Longwing and Great Southern White "native" to NC?
>>>=20
>>> Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://a=
irliegardens.org/exhibits/butterfly-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTK=
zQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAGTkoI6qmfqx4aahNjGAA$>
>>>=20
>>> Harry LeGrand
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter <derbc...> <mailto:de=
<rbc...>> wrote:
>>> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butterfly house. On the othe=
r hand, it also has good habitat for Longwings and Great Southern Whites st=
raying from the south.
>>>=20
>>>=20=20
>>>=20
>>> Derb Carter
>>>=20
>>=20


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=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s=
pace; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Here is a link to the July=
sighting of a Zebra Longwing with verification that it was NOT in the butt=
erfly house.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a href=3D=
"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/90493=
006__;!!OToaGQ!6YQ11KNxbTwlJHn53EyUnFRi75EmMSo9N-bOyYBwz5oCTUFCmGke4Tp6xGTn=
whPkZoU$" class=3D"">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/90493006</a><=
/div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Salman Abdulali<b=
r class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Harry LeGrand &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
<hlegrandjr...>" class=3D""><hlegrandjr...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><=
br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta http-equiv=3D"=
content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D=
"auto" class=3D"">The woman who reported the Longwings went back to Airlie =
today and reported some still present. She added a video to the Facebook po=
st of at least 1; she and it are definitely outdoors. &nbsp;Nor did she say=
she was in a butterfly house. &nbsp;So the assumption is the butterflies a=
re outdoors. &nbsp;Hopefully not escapes from the house. &nbsp;<div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry<br class=3D""><br class=3D=
""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Sep 7, 2021=
, at 6:18 PM, Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:salman.abdulali@icloud.=
com" class=3D""><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"=
text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D"">Harry,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div><div class=3D"">I recall that last year we had an incident where som=
eone had posted a great photo of a Great Southern White from Airlie. We app=
roached him for permission to post the photo on the website, and he explain=
ed that the photo was taken inside the Butterfly House of a captive butterf=
ly.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Salman<br cla=
ss=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""=
><div class=3D"">On Sep 7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinalep=
s Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" class=3D"">car=
<olinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newli=
ne"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Regarding S=
alman's comment (underline mine):<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">"
There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern=20
Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as=20
captive; <u class=3D"">I believe they get them from states to our south (pr=
obably=20
Florida)."</u></div><div class=3D""><u class=3D""><br class=3D""></u></div>=
<div class=3D"">and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it ver=
y irresponsible of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies th=
at are imported, or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that ar=
e free-flying.&nbsp; Of course, we all know that adult butterflies can esca=
pe from butterfly houses.&nbsp; I did not even know there was a butterfly h=
ouse there, but I have no way to know how secure it is regarding double-doo=
rs such that butterflies cannot escape through a single door, or escape thr=
ough any other means.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=
=3D"">Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, <b class=
=3D"">I and others will want clarity on this matter,</b> and the "dozen or =
more" Zebra Longwings seen there a few days ago.&nbsp; Recall that there wa=
s a natural brood explosion of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, whi=
ch certainly has no butterfly house or deals in releases.&nbsp; And, I am n=
ot aware of other reports -- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or G=
reat Southern Whites.&nbsp; And, lastly, at least Zebra Longwings often are=
seen around yards and gardens along the coast, more so in SC of course.&nb=
sp; Thus, a report of one at Airlie doesn't raise my eyebrow and even 12 do=
esn't either, as long as a free-flying adult laid eggs about 1-2 months ago=
and produced a fresh new brood.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">More info??&nbsp; Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly hous=
e link -- mentioning "Butterflies, all native to North Carolina&nbsp; ,,,, =
Species like&nbsp; ... Monarch, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swal=
lowtail ...:. " &nbsp; Heck, would we consider Zebra Longwing and Great Sou=
thern White "native" to NC?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/b=
utterfly-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAG=
TkoI6qmfqx4aahNjGAA$" class=3D"">Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens</a>

</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry LeGrand<br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><u class=3D""></u></div></div><br class=3D=
""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,=
Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<derbc...>"=
target=3D"_blank" class=3D""><derbc...></a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie =
has a butterfly house.&nbsp; On the other hand, it also has good habitat fo=
r Longwings and Great Southern Whites straying from the south.<u class=3D""=
></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<=
u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derb Carter<u class=3D""></u><u=
class=3D""></u></p>
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