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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:10:07 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: Airlie

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LM Carlson e-mailed me from Airlie this morning, and has a lot of
information -- pro and/or con -- about the visit. to be posted here, I
assume.

Harry LeGrand

PS -- I think this is the same record that Mark posted a while back on
Facebook Carolina Leps. Different photo.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 7:01 PM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>
wrote:

> Here is a link to the July sighting of a Zebra Longwing with verification
> that it was NOT in the butterfly house.
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/9049=
3006__;!!OToaGQ!-1VV7ALofT_6IHtp3OUFNrJjKMgGleX_LoftxiAeZoF1Et821URww3IOtFU=
dmydOU-w$=20
>
> Salman Abdulali
>
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> wrote:
>
> The woman who reported the Longwings went back to Airlie today and
> reported some still present. She added a video to the Facebook post of at
> least 1; she and it are definitely outdoors. Nor did she say she was in a
> butterfly house. So the assumption is the butterflies are outdoors.
> Hopefully not escapes from the house.
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFHarry,
>
> I recall that last year we had an incident where someone had posted a
> great photo of a Great Southern White from Airlie. We approached him for
> permission to post the photo on the website, and he explained that the
> photo was taken inside the Butterfly House of a captive butterfly.
>
> Salman
>
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List)=
<
> <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>
> Regarding Salman's comment (underline mine):
>
> " There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern
> Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as
> captive; *I believe they get them from states to our south (probably
> Florida)."*
>
> and Derb's regarding a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsible
> of a facility (private or public) to release butterflies that are importe=
d,
> or have imported life stages to "hatch out" adults that are free-flying.
> Of course, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly
> houses. I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have
> no way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that
> butterflies cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any
> other means.
>
> Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC database, *I and others
> will want clarity on this matter,* and the "dozen or more" Zebra
> Longwings seen there a few days ago. Recall that there was a natural bro=
od
> explosion of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon State Park, which certainly has
> no butterfly house or deals in releases. And, I am not aware of other
> reports -- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra Longwings or Great Southern
> Whites. And, lastly, at least Zebra Longwings often are seen around yards
> and gardens along the coast, more so in SC of course. Thus, a report of
> one at Airlie doesn't raise my eyebrow and even 12 doesn't either, as long
> as a free-flying adult laid eggs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh
> new brood.
>
> More info?? Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- mentioning
> "Butterflies, all native to North Carolina ,,,, Species like ... Monarc=
h,
> Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowtail ...:. " Heck, would =
we
> consider Zebra Longwing and Great Southern White "native" to NC?
>
> Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/butterfly=
-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAGTkoI6qmf=
qx4aahNjGAA$>
>
> Harry LeGrand
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:
>
>> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butterfly house. On the other=
hand, it
>> also has good habitat for Longwings and Great Southern Whites straying f=
rom
>> the south.
>>
>>
>>
>> Derb Carter
>>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>LM Carlson e-mailed me from Airlie this morning, and =
has a lot of information -- pro and/or con -- about the visit.=C2=A0 to be =
posted here, I assume.</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand</div><div><br=
></div><div>PS -- I think this is the same record that Mark posted a while =
back on Facebook Carolina Leps.=C2=A0 Different photo.<br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep=
8, 2021 at 7:01 PM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:salman.abdulali@i=
cloud.com"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-wor=
d;">Here is a link to the July sighting of a Zebra Longwing with verificati=
on that it was NOT in the butterfly house.<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"ht=
tps://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/90493006=
__;!!OToaGQ!-1VV7ALofT_6IHtp3OUFNrJjKMgGleX_LoftxiAeZoF1Et821URww3IOtFUdmyd=
OU-w$" target=3D"_blank">https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/90493006<=
/a></div><div><br></div><div>Salman Abdulali<br><div><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Harry LeGrand &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:<hlegrandjr...>" target=3D"_blank"><hlegrandjr...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"auto">The woman who reported the Longwings w=
ent back to Airlie today and reported some still present. She added a video=
to the Facebook post of at least 1; she and it are definitely outdoors.=C2=
=A0 Nor did she say she was in a butterfly house.=C2=A0 So the assumption i=
s the butterflies are outdoors.=C2=A0 Hopefully not escapes from the house.=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Harry<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhon=
e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 7, 2021, at 6:=
18 PM, Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" ta=
rget=3D"_blank"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFHarry,<div><br=
></div><div>I recall that last year we had an incident where someone had po=
sted a great photo of a Great Southern White from Airlie. We approached him=
for permission to post the photo on the website, and he explained that the=
photo was taken inside the Butterfly House of a captive butterfly.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Salman<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep =
7, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...>=
u</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Regarding Salman&#39;s=
comment (underline mine):<br></div><div><br></div><div>&quot;
There are several reports of both Zebra Longwing and Great Southern=20
Whites from the Airlie Gardens in iNaturalist. I mark all of these as=20
captive; <u>I believe they get them from states to our south (probably=20
Florida).&quot;</u></div><div><u><br></u></div><div>and Derb&#39;s regardin=
g a butterfly house, I would find it very irresponsible of a facility (priv=
ate or public) to release butterflies that are imported, or have imported l=
ife stages to &quot;hatch out&quot; adults that are free-flying.=C2=A0 Of c=
ourse, we all know that adult butterflies can escape from butterfly houses.=
=C2=A0 I did not even know there was a butterfly house there, but I have no=
way to know how secure it is regarding double-doors such that butterflies =
cannot escape through a single door, or escape through any other means.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Because I enter butterfly records into the big NC dat=
abase, <b>I and others will want clarity on this matter,</b> and the &quot;=
dozen or more&quot; Zebra Longwings seen there a few days ago.=C2=A0 Recall=
that there was a natural brood explosion of adults in 2008 at Fort Macon S=
tate Park, which certainly has no butterfly house or deals in releases.=C2=
=A0 And, I am not aware of other reports -- pre-2021, from Airlie, of Zebra=
Longwings or Great Southern Whites.=C2=A0 And, lastly, at least Zebra Long=
wings often are seen around yards and gardens along the coast, more so in S=
C of course.=C2=A0 Thus, a report of one at Airlie doesn&#39;t raise my eye=
brow and even 12 doesn&#39;t either, as long as a free-flying adult laid eg=
gs about 1-2 months ago and produced a fresh new brood.</div><div><br></div=
><div>More info??=C2=A0 Here is the Airlie Gardens butterfly house link -- =
mentioning &quot;Butterflies, all native to North Carolina=C2=A0 ,,,, Speci=
es like=C2=A0 ... Monarch, Gulf Fritillary, Common Buckeye, Black Swallowta=
il ...:. &quot; =C2=A0 Heck, would we consider Zebra Longwing and Great Sou=
thern White &quot;native&quot; to NC?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://airliegardens.org/exhibits/b=
utterfly-house/__;!!OToaGQ!4zPLunWPkInJ2sPEprkTKzQ_iCT1S-4Nu0ypQv-b0GFc5FAG=
TkoI6qmfqx4aahNjGAA$" target=3D"_blank">Butterfly House - Airlie Gardens</a>

</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><u></u></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:59 PM Derb Carter &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:<derbc...>" target=3D"_blank"><derbc...></a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it=E2=80=99s worth, Airlie has a butte=
rfly house.=C2=A0 On the other hand, it also has good habitat for Longwings=
and Great Southern Whites straying from the south.<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derb Carter=
<u></u><u></u></p>
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