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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 11:47:33 -0400
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: 8/28/2021 - 9/10/2021 Butterflies at home N. Chatham Co, NC

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Good point on the yellow-/gold on top of the head. I failed to spot that.
Female Dun does show a few spots on the FW like this, and Dun is not
uncommon in Chatham, and they can and do visit gardens at times. I agree
with Salman on Dun Skipper.

Harry




On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 11:38 AM Salman Abdulali <salman.abdulali...>
wrote:

> The yellow on the head suggests Dun Skipper.
>
> On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing
> List) <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>
> Susie and others,
>
> After looking at the photo, I would say that is an unidentifiable image.
> All we can see is the underside of the forewing, not the all-important
> hindwing. And, what I see could be one of quite a few species. Also,
> Northern Broken-dash is quite rare in the Chatham County area -- I haven't
> seen one in Wake County in a few decades if ever. There are some in Durham
> County, but still it is scarce. Plus, I have never seen or heard of one
> visiting a garden. Normally around here it is found in powerline clearings
> with native grasses.
>
> So -- best to let this one go. For ID of this tricky skipper, you will
> need one or more photos of the *underside *of the hindwing. I can't rule
> it out, but -- I'd say not likely.
>
> Others want to chime in?
>
> Harry LeGrand
> Raleigh
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:41 AM pbmGarden <carolinaleps...> wrote:
>
>> 8/28/2021 - 9/10/2021
>> Governors Park, Chapel Hill, N. Chatham Co, NC
>> Very few butterflies or flowers in my backyard perennial garden (Common
>> lantana and Buddleja davidii (Butterfly Bush) mainly). A friend in Raleigh
>> got 2.5 inches of rain in 30 minutes on Thursday, but we got a bare
>> dampening here.
>>
>> I have never seen a Northern Broken-Dash in my garden (or anywhere) but
>> based on several photos iNaturalist suggested one
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/93435537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjguqJ39xnYM$> on
>> 9/2.
>>
>>
>> 8/28/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
>> 8/28/2021 Silver-spotted Skipper - Epargyreus clarus 1
>> 8/28/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 2
>>
>>
>> 8/29/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
>>
>>
>> 8/30/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 1
>>
>>
>> 9/2/2021 Northern Broken-Dash -Wallengrenia egeremet 1 image
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/93435537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjguqJ39xnYM$>
>> 9/2/2021 Silver-spotted Skipper - Epargyreus clarus 2
>> 9/2/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 1
>> 9/2/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 1
>> 9/2/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 2
>>
>>
>> 9/6/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 4
>>
>>
>> 9/8/2021 Monarch - Danaus plexippus 1
>>
>>
>> 9/10/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
>> 9/10/2021 Monarch - Danaus plexippus 1
>> 9/10/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 5
>> 9/10/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 2
>>
>>
>> Have a good weekend everyone!
>>
>> Susie Moffat
>> pbmgarden.blog
>> @pbmgarden on iNaturalist
>>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Good point on the yellow-/gold on top of the head.=C2=
=A0 I failed to spot that.=C2=A0 Female Dun does show a few spots on the FW=
like this, and Dun is not uncommon in Chatham, and they can and do visit g=
ardens at times.=C2=A0 I agree with Salman on Dun Skipper.<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Harry<br></div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 1=
1, 2021 at 11:38 AM Salman Abdulali &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:salman.abdulali@i=
cloud.com"><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-wor=
d;">The yellow on the head suggests Dun Skipper.<br><div><br><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinal=
eps Mailing List) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_b=
lank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>Susie and others,<br></div><div><br></div><div>After looking at the pho=
to, I would say that is an unidentifiable image.=C2=A0 All we can see is th=
e underside of the forewing, not the all-important hindwing.=C2=A0 And, wha=
t I see could be one of quite a few species.=C2=A0 Also, Northern Broken-da=
sh is quite rare in the Chatham County area -- I haven&#39;t seen one in Wa=
ke County in a few decades if ever.=C2=A0 There are some in Durham County, =
but still it is scarce.=C2=A0 Plus, I have never seen or heard of one visit=
ing a garden.=C2=A0 Normally around here it is found in powerline clearings=
with native grasses.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So=C2=A0 -- best to let =
this one go.=C2=A0 For ID of this tricky skipper, you will need one or more=
photos of the <u>underside </u>of the hindwing.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t rule it =
out, but -- I&#39;d say not likely. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Others wa=
nt to chime in?</div><div><br></div><div>Harry LeGrand</div><div>Raleigh<br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:41 AM pbmGarden &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:car=
<olinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank"><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>8/28/2=
021 - =C2=A09/10/2021</div><div>Governors Park, Chapel Hill, N. Chatham Co,=
NC</div><div><div>Very few butterflies or flowers in my backyard perennial=
garden (Common lantana and Buddleja davidii (Butterfly Bush) mainly).=C2=
=A0 A friend in Raleigh got 2.5 inches of rain in 30 minutes on Thursday, b=
ut we got a bare dampening here.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I have neve=
r seen a Northern Broken-Dash in my garden (or anywhere) but based on sever=
al photos=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturali=
st.org/observations/93435537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ=
1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjguqJ39xnYM$" target=3D"_blank">iNaturalist suggested =
one</a>=C2=A0on 9/2.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>8/28/2021<span=
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio=
glaucus<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br>8/28/2021<span st=
yle=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Silver-spotted Skipper - Epargyreus cl=
arus=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br>8/28/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola=C2=
=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2<br><br><br>8/29/2021<span=
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio=
glaucus<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br><br><br>8/30/2021=
<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocol=
a=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br><br><br>9/2/2021<s=
pan style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Northern Broken-Dash -Wallengren=
ia egeremet<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1 =C2=A0<a href=3D"=
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/934355=
37__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjguqJ=
39xnYM$" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;" target=3D"_blank"=
>image</a><br>9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Silver-s=
potted Skipper - Epargyreus clarus=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap=
"> </span>2<br>9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fiery S=
kipper - Hylephila phyleus=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </spa=
n>1<br>9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Ocola Skipper -=
Panoquina ocola=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br>9/2=
/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila=
phyleus=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2<br><br><br>9/6=
/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila=
phyleus=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4<br><br><br>9/8=
/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Monarch - Danaus plexippu=
s=C2=A0<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br><br><br>9/10/2021<=
span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Pap=
ilio glaucus<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br>9/10/2021<spa=
n style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Monarch - Danaus plexippus=C2=A0<s=
pan style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1<br>9/10/2021<span style=3D"whi=
te-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus=C2=A0<span sty=
le=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>5<br>9/10/2021<span style=3D"white-spac=
e:pre-wrap"> </span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola=C2=A0<span style=3D"whi=
te-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2</div><div><br></div><div><br>Have a good weeke=
nd everyone!<br><br>Susie Moffat<br>pbmgarden.blog<br>@pbmgarden on iNatura=
list</div></div></blockquote></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div>

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