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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 12:46:03 -0400
From: pbmGarden (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Re: 8/28/2021 - 9/10/2021 Butterflies at home N. Chatham Co, NC


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I=E2=80=99ll change that ID. Dun was also the second suggestion that =
was listed for this skipper on iNaturalist for some of the photos. =
Thanks for your help!

> On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...> =
wrote:
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> Good point on the yellow-/gold on top of the head. I failed to spot =
that. Female Dun does show a few spots on the FW like this, and Dun is =
not uncommon in Chatham, and they can and do visit gardens at times. I =
agree with Salman on Dun Skipper.
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> Harry
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> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 11:38 AM Salman Abdulali =
<salman.abdulali...> <mailto:<salman.abdulali...>> wrote:
> The yellow on the head suggests Dun Skipper.
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>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Harry LeGrand (via carolinaleps Mailing =
List) <carolinaleps...> <mailto:<carolinaleps...>> wrote:
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>> Susie and others,
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>> After looking at the photo, I would say that is an unidentifiable =
image. All we can see is the underside of the forewing, not the =
all-important hindwing. And, what I see could be one of quite a few =
species. Also, Northern Broken-dash is quite rare in the Chatham County =
area -- I haven't seen one in Wake County in a few decades if ever. =
There are some in Durham County, but still it is scarce. Plus, I have =
never seen or heard of one visiting a garden. Normally around here it =
is found in powerline clearings with native grasses.
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>> So -- best to let this one go. For ID of this tricky skipper, you =
will need one or more photos of the underside of the hindwing. I can't =
rule it out, but -- I'd say not likely.=20
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>> Others want to chime in?
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>> Harry LeGrand
>> Raleigh
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>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:41 AM pbmGarden <carolinaleps...> =
<mailto:<carolinaleps...>> wrote:
>> 8/28/2021 - 9/10/2021
>> Governors Park, Chapel Hill, N. Chatham Co, NC
>> Very few butterflies or flowers in my backyard perennial garden =
(Common lantana and Buddleja davidii (Butterfly Bush) mainly). A friend =
in Raleigh got 2.5 inches of rain in 30 minutes on Thursday, but we got =
a bare dampening here.
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>> I have never seen a Northern Broken-Dash in my garden (or anywhere) =
but based on several photos iNaturalist suggested one =
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/9343=
5537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjg=
uqJ39xnYM$> on 9/2.
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>> 8/28/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
>> 8/28/2021 Silver-spotted Skipper - Epargyreus clarus 1
>> 8/28/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 2
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>> 8/29/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
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>> 8/30/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 1
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>> 9/2/2021 Northern Broken-Dash -Wallengrenia egeremet 1 image =
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/9343=
5537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNCoePqdjg=
uqJ39xnYM$>
>> 9/2/2021 Silver-spotted Skipper - Epargyreus clarus 2
>> 9/2/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 1
>> 9/2/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 1
>> 9/2/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 2
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>> 9/6/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 4
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>> 9/8/2021 Monarch - Danaus plexippus 1
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>> 9/10/2021 Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus 1
>> 9/10/2021 Monarch - Danaus plexippus 1
>> 9/10/2021 Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus 5
>> 9/10/2021 Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola 2
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>> Have a good weekend everyone!
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>> Susie Moffat
>> pbmgarden.blog
>> @pbmgarden on iNaturalist
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll change that ID. &nbsp;Dun was also the second =
suggestion that was listed for this skipper on iNaturalist for some of =
the photos. &nbsp;Thanks for your help!<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep =
11, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Harry LeGrand &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<hlegrandjr...>" =
class=3D""><hlegrandjr...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Good point on the yellow-/gold on top of the =
head.&nbsp; I failed to spot that.&nbsp; Female Dun does show a few =
spots on the FW like this, and Dun is not uncommon in Chatham, and they =
can and do visit gardens at times.&nbsp; I agree with Salman on Dun =
Skipper.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Harry<br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 11:38 AM Salman Abdulali =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<salman.abdulali...>" =
class=3D""><salman.abdulali...></a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D"">The yellow on the head suggests Dun Skipper.<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Harry LeGrand =
(via carolinaleps Mailing List) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D""><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Susie and =
others,<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">After looking at the photo, I would say that is an =
unidentifiable image.&nbsp; All we can see is the underside of the =
forewing, not the all-important hindwing.&nbsp; And, what I see could be =
one of quite a few species.&nbsp; Also, Northern Broken-dash is quite =
rare in the Chatham County area -- I haven't seen one in Wake County in =
a few decades if ever.&nbsp; There are some in Durham County, but still =
it is scarce.&nbsp; Plus, I have never seen or heard of one visiting a =
garden.&nbsp; Normally around here it is found in powerline clearings =
with native grasses.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So&nbsp; -- best to let this one =
go.&nbsp; For ID of this tricky skipper, you will need one or more =
photos of the <u class=3D"">underside </u>of the hindwing.&nbsp; I can't =
rule it out, but -- I'd say not likely. <br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Others want to chime =
in?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Harry =
LeGrand</div><div class=3D"">Raleigh<br class=3D""></div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:41 AM pbmGarden &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:<carolinaleps...>" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D""><carolinaleps...></a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">8/28/2021 - &nbsp;9/10/2021</div><div class=3D"">Governors =
Park, Chapel Hill, N. Chatham Co, NC</div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Very few butterflies or flowers in my backyard perennial =
garden (Common lantana and Buddleja davidii (Butterfly Bush) =
mainly).&nbsp; A friend in Raleigh got 2.5 inches of rain in 30 minutes =
on Thursday, but we got a bare dampening here.</div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have never seen a =
Northern Broken-Dash in my garden (or anywhere) but based on several =
photos&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observatio=
ns/93435537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNC=
oePqdjguqJ39xnYM$" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">iNaturalist suggested =
one</a>&nbsp;on 9/2.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">8/28/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Eastern Tiger =
Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>1<br class=3D"">8/28/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Silver-spotted =
Skipper - Epargyreus clarus&nbsp;<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>1<br class=3D"">8/28/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Ocola Skipper - =
Panoquina ocola&nbsp;<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>2<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">8/29/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Eastern Tiger =
Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>1<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">8/30/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""><br class=3D"">9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>Northern Broken-Dash -Wallengrenia egeremet<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1 &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observatio=
ns/93435537__;!!OToaGQ!553rteptHQtfr5fYtkrSVdORR1uF6p_alwZ1N0O-Jggh_wJBdNC=
oePqdjguqJ39xnYM$" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">image</a><br class=3D"">9/2/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Silver-spotted =
Skipper - Epargyreus clarus&nbsp;<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>2<br class=3D"">9/2/2021<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>Fiery Skipper - =
Hylephila phyleus&nbsp;<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>1<br class=3D"">9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1<br =
class=3D"">9/2/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>2<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""><br class=3D"">9/6/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>4<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""><br class=3D"">9/8/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>Monarch - Danaus plexippus&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D""><br class=3D"">9/10/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" =
class=3D""> </span>Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Papilio glaucus<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1<br =
class=3D"">9/10/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>Monarch - Danaus plexippus&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>1<br =
class=3D"">9/10/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>Fiery Skipper - Hylephila phyleus&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>5<br =
class=3D"">9/10/2021<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>Ocola Skipper - Panoquina ocola&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>2</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">Have a =
good weekend everyone!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Susie Moffat<br =
class=3D"">pbmgarden.blog<br class=3D"">@pbmgarden on =
iNaturalist</div></div></blockquote></div>
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