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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:30:50 -0700
From: mcallisters4 <mcallisters4...>
Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Puget Blues at West Rocky Prairie

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Thanks Caitlin. The butterfly in the first picture struck me as a vibrant s=
hiny blue and I thought it was likely a Silvery Blue. It was also some dist=
ance away from the larger patches of sickle-keeled lupine (not sure that me=
ans anything since Silvery Blues are probably using it as much as the Puget=
Blues). So, it was only after I had the pictures on my computer that I cou=
ld see enough of the ventral hind wing to know it was a Puget Blue. I guess=
I=E2=80=99m feeling uncomfortable about the highly variable hues of blue, =
in males, being very useful to differentiate these two species. Maybe I=E2=
=80=99ll feel differently after more experience.

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Kelly

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From: <NorWestLeps...> <NorWestLeps...> On Behalf Of Caitlin La=
Bar
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 11:22 PM
To: <NorWestLeps...>
Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Puget Blues at West Rocky Prairie

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Yes those are all icarioides blackmorei. Male Silvery Blues don=E2=80=99t h=
ave much of a brown edge between the blue and the wing fringe, while icario=
ides almost always have a noticeable brown margin, and blackmorei in partic=
ular can have a very wide margin, I=E2=80=99ve seen up to a third of the wi=
ng, making them look almost like a female.

As to color tint, icarioides is usually a dusty lavender while lygdamus has=
a bright glint (i.e. silvery), but photo angle can affect that, such as yo=
ur first Flickr photo that looks super bright. It has a wide brown margin t=
hough and you can see enough of the ventral to make out the fuzziness of ic=
arioides rather than more sharp spots on lygdamus.

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Puget blues are definitely known from all over Rocky Prairie but I don=E2=
=80=99t know what the most recent records are.

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Caitlin=20

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nk=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Caitlin. The butterfly in the first picture struck me=
as a vibrant shiny blue and I thought it was likely a Silvery Blue. It was=
also some distance away from the larger patches of sickle-keeled lupine (n=
ot sure that means anything since Silvery Blues are probably using it as mu=
ch as the Puget Blues). So, it was only after I had the pictures on my comp=
uter that I could see enough of the ventral hind wing to know it was a Puge=
t Blue. I guess I=E2=80=99m feeling uncomfortable about the highly variable=
hues of blue, in males, being very useful to differentiate these two speci=
es. Maybe I=E2=80=99ll feel differently after more experience.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Kelly<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal><b>From:</b> <NorWestLeps...> &lt;<NorWestLeps...>&gt; <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Caitlin LaBar<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 21, 2022 11:22=
PM<br><b>To:</b> <NorWestLeps...><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NorWestLeps=
] Puget Blues at West Rocky Prairie<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes those are all icarioides bl=
ackmorei. Male Silvery Blues don=E2=80=99t have much of a brown edge betwee=
n the blue and the wing fringe, while icarioides almost always have a notic=
eable brown margin, and blackmorei in particular can have a very wide margi=
n, I=E2=80=99ve seen up to a third of the wing, making them look almost lik=
e a female.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>As to color tint, icari=
oides is usually a dusty lavender while lygdamus has a bright glint (i.e. s=
ilvery), but photo angle can affect that, such as your first Flickr photo t=
hat looks super bright. It has a wide brown margin though and you can see e=
nough of the ventral to make out the fuzziness of icarioides rather than mo=
re sharp spots on lygdamus.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Puget blues are definit=
ely known from all over Rocky Prairie but I don=E2=80=99t know what the mos=
t recent records are.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Caitlin&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
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