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| List: NorWest Leps Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 00:39:30 -0700 From: <tlpyle...> Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Help identifying a blue from June 2019, Olympia Airport |
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--=_89e7ebebb26c8083b34d282612e7431d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, Kelly, this one is a challenge! But I think you were right in the first place, that it is an Echo Azure.=20 My dictum about "any spots distal of the mesial band" being _Icaricia_ only applies to individuals that might be taken for _Glaucopsyche_, which this one would not. Actually, ALL the blues (I think) have maculation distal of the mesial band EXCEPT for silveries; so perhaps I should have framed that in the opposite terms. I can see why Stewart would think this a Boisduval's, given the state of the mesial band of spots; but:=20 the field mark that most says "_Celastrina_" to me about this one is the long vertical dash in the cell, a classic azure marking. Also, the submarginal spots almost suggest chevrons, which azures generally display. I suspect your Johnson's Prairie puddlers were also azures.=20 Pelham? Norbert? Thoughts?=20 As always, specimens solve the issue!=20 Bob On 2022-06-22 10:27 pm, mcallisters4 wrote: > I was using inaturalist to explore locations where Silvery Blues and Bois= duval's Blues had been reported in prairies of south Puget Sound. I looked = at the photo linked below and saw that it had initially been identified as = a Boisduval's Blue (ssp.blackmorei). I didn't think it was a Boisduval's Bl= ue and thought it was an Echo Azure. Stewart Wechsler pointed out reasons w= hy he didn't believe it to be an Echo Azure and I think Stewart is right. N= oting Bob Pyles' words from yesterday, "If you see ANY maculation distal fr= om the mesial band of spots, it is _Icaricia_." I believe Stewart Wechsler = was probably right in his initial identification of this butterfly as Icari= cia. I'd appreciate feedback on this one. I remember seeing many blues that= looked like this one, puddling near Johnson's Prairie on Joint Base Lewis-= McChord, many years ago. The ventral hind wing spots have poorly defined (n= ot very white) halos and the dark centers are quite large relative to the l= ight halos. I was totally confused by the ones near Johnson's Prairie. It will be nice, for m= e, to settle this so I'll know what I'm looking at next time.=20 >=20 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/29002564@N08/52166801318/in/dateposted-publ= ic/=20 >=20 >=20 =20 Links: ------ [1] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/10985 [2] https://groups.io/mt/91937559/4540190 [3] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post [4] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/4540190 [5] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/8161845/4540190/1528877983/xyzzy -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#10986): https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/10986 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/91937559/795800 Group Owner: NorWestLeps+<owner...> Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922= /xyzzy [<lists...>] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --=_89e7ebebb26c8083b34d282612e7431d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3DUTF-8" /></head><body style=3D'font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Gen= eva,sans-serif'> <p>Well, Kelly, this one is a challenge! But I think you were right in the = first place, that it is an Echo Azure.</p> <p>My dictum about "any spots distal of the mesial band" being <em>Icaricia= </em> only applies to individuals that might be taken for <em>Glaucopsyche<= /em>, which this one would not. Actually, ALL the blues (I think) have macu= lation distal of the mesial band EXCEPT for silveries; so perhaps I should = have framed that in the opposite terms. I can see why Stewart would think t= his a Boisduval's, given the state of the mesial band of spots; but:</p> <p>the field mark that most says "<em>Celastrina</em>" to me about this one= is the long vertical dash in the cell, a classic azure marking. Also, the = submarginal spots almost suggest chevrons, which azures generally display. = I suspect your Johnson's Prairie puddlers were also azures.</p> <p>Pelham? Norbert? Thoughts?</p> <p>As always, specimens solve the issue!</p> <p>Bob</p> <div> </div> <p><br /></p> <p>On 2022-06-22 10:27 pm, mcallisters4 wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2= px solid; margin: 0"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ig= nored --><!-- meta ignored --> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">I was using inatu= ralist to explore locations where Silvery Blues and Boisduval's Blues had b= een reported in prairies of south Puget Sound. I looked at the photo linked= below and saw that it had initially been identified as a Boisduval's Blue = (ssp.blackmorei). I didn't think it was a Boisduval's Blue and thought it w= as an Echo Azure. Stewart Wechsler pointed out reasons why he didn't believ= e it to be an Echo Azure and I think Stewart is right. Noting Bob Pyles' wo= rds from yesterday, "If you see ANY maculation distal from the mesial band = of spots, it is <em><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Icar= icia</span></em>." I believe Stewart Wechsler was probably right in his ini= tial identification of this butterfly as Icaricia. I'd appreciate feedback = on this one. I remember seeing many blues that looked like this one, puddli= ng near Johnson's Prairie on Joint Base Lewis-McChord, many years ago. The = ventral hind wing spots have poorly defined (not very white) halos and the = dark centers are quite large relative to the light halos. I was totally con= fused by the ones near Johnson's Prairie. 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