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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 00:39:30 -0700
From: <tlpyle...>
Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Help identifying a blue from June 2019, Olympia Airport

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Well, Kelly, this one is a challenge! But I think you were right in the
first place, that it is an Echo Azure.=20

My dictum about "any spots distal of the mesial band" being _Icaricia_
only applies to individuals that might be taken for _Glaucopsyche_,
which this one would not. Actually, ALL the blues (I think) have
maculation distal of the mesial band EXCEPT for silveries; so perhaps I
should have framed that in the opposite terms. I can see why Stewart
would think this a Boisduval's, given the state of the mesial band of
spots; but:=20

the field mark that most says "_Celastrina_" to me about this one is the
long vertical dash in the cell, a classic azure marking. Also, the
submarginal spots almost suggest chevrons, which azures generally
display. I suspect your Johnson's Prairie puddlers were also azures.=20

Pelham? Norbert? Thoughts?=20

As always, specimens solve the issue!=20

Bob

On 2022-06-22 10:27 pm, mcallisters4 wrote:

> I was using inaturalist to explore locations where Silvery Blues and Bois=
duval's Blues had been reported in prairies of south Puget Sound. I looked =
at the photo linked below and saw that it had initially been identified as =
a Boisduval's Blue (ssp.blackmorei). I didn't think it was a Boisduval's Bl=
ue and thought it was an Echo Azure. Stewart Wechsler pointed out reasons w=
hy he didn't believe it to be an Echo Azure and I think Stewart is right. N=
oting Bob Pyles' words from yesterday, "If you see ANY maculation distal fr=
om the mesial band of spots, it is _Icaricia_." I believe Stewart Wechsler =
was probably right in his initial identification of this butterfly as Icari=
cia. I'd appreciate feedback on this one. I remember seeing many blues that=
looked like this one, puddling near Johnson's Prairie on Joint Base Lewis-=
McChord, many years ago. The ventral hind wing spots have poorly defined (n=
ot very white) halos and the dark centers are quite large relative to the l=
ight halos. I was
totally confused by the ones near Johnson's Prairie. It will be nice, for m=
e, to settle this so I'll know what I'm looking at next time.=20
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/29002564@N08/52166801318/in/dateposted-publ=
ic/=20
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<p>Well, Kelly, this one is a challenge! But I think you were right in the =
first place, that it is an Echo Azure.</p>
<p>My dictum about "any spots distal of the mesial band" being <em>Icaricia=
</em> only applies to individuals that might be taken for <em>Glaucopsyche<=
/em>, which this one would not. Actually, ALL the blues (I think) have macu=
lation distal of the mesial band EXCEPT for silveries; so perhaps I should =
have framed that in the opposite terms. I can see why Stewart would think t=
his a Boisduval's, given the state of the mesial band of spots; but:</p>
<p>the field mark that most says "<em>Celastrina</em>" to me about this one=
is the long vertical dash in the cell, a classic azure marking. Also, the =
submarginal spots almost suggest chevrons, which azures generally display. =
I suspect your Johnson's Prairie puddlers were also azures.</p>
<p>Pelham? Norbert? Thoughts?</p>
<p>As always, specimens solve the issue!</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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<p>On 2022-06-22 10:27 pm, mcallisters4 wrote:</p>
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ralist to explore locations where Silvery Blues and Boisduval's Blues had b=
een reported in prairies of south Puget Sound. I looked at the photo linked=
below and saw that it had initially been identified as a Boisduval's Blue =
(ssp.blackmorei). I didn't think it was a Boisduval's Blue and thought it w=
as an Echo Azure. Stewart Wechsler pointed out reasons why he didn't believ=
e it to be an Echo Azure and I think Stewart is right. Noting Bob Pyles' wo=
rds from yesterday, "If you see ANY maculation distal from the mesial band =
of spots, it is <em><span style=3D"font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Icar=
icia</span></em>." I believe Stewart Wechsler was probably right in his ini=
tial identification of this butterfly as Icaricia. I'd appreciate feedback =
on this one. I remember seeing many blues that looked like this one, puddli=
ng near Johnson's Prairie on Joint Base Lewis-McChord, many years ago. The =
ventral hind wing spots have poorly defined (not very white) halos and the =
dark centers are quite large relative to the light halos. I was totally con=
fused by the ones near Johnson's Prairie. It will be nice, for me, to settl=
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