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| List: DesertLeps Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:51:04 -0700 From: Norbert Kondla <nkondla...> Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] [DesertLeps] [TILS] Cloak habitats |
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--000000000000578fff05f17658e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, I spent a lot of time going through the Cloak literature and could not find anything that I considered to be evidence of migration in Cloaks. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 10:30 AM Crispin Guppy <csguppy...> wrote: > The flight behaviour of presumed southward migrating cloaks in eastern > Canada was described in Gibo 1981 (attached). Presumed migrating cloaks > on Long island, NY (and many other species) are described by Shannon 1917 > (attached). Very weak documentation, and there is apparently nothing else. > > > > Crispin Guppy > > Whitehorse, YT > > > > *From:* <TILS...> <TILS...> *On Behalf Of *Norbert Kondla > *Sent:* January 4, 2023 7:48 AM > *To:* <TILS...> > *Cc:* desertleps <desertleps...>; norwestleps < > <norwestleps...> > *Subject:* Re: [TILS] Cloak habitats > > > > Yes, I recall from past literature review that there is substantial > variation in the way that people apply the > > word 'migration'; thus making it unclear just what the story really is. I > don't recall seeing any evidence for our > > North American Cloaks engaging in migration as defined by long distance > annual unidirectional movements. > But in Europe there has been documentation of the real Cloaks having > irregular mass movements over distance; > > which I do not consider to be migration. > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 10:32 PM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...> > wrote: > > Norbert: > > > > I have only ever found Cloaks in mature deciduous forest in the east, > though twice I found larvae on Salix nigra in open, shrubby habitats. > > > > There are many reports along the southern New England shoreline of > migratory movement of Cloaks toward the south and west when the Monarchs > are migrating. I have not seen this and it may be a localized movement. I > have, however, witnessed Polygonia interrogationis migrating along the > shoreline and P. comma migrating south overland. These also may be > localized movements, as both do hibernate here. > > > > Harry > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2023 at 8:46 AM, Norbert Kondla <nkondla...> wrote: > > Prior to August 2005 I had found Nymphalis antiopa hyperborea in a variety > of upland forest habitats and even in bits of riparian woodland/willow > shrubbery of the North American prairie region. In August 2005 Ken Philip > took Joe and I to the Bonanaza Creek bog near Fairbanks for some butterfly > fun and there I was able to add spruce bog to the list of habitats used by > Cloaks. Here are some pics; the sky was murky due to forest fire smoke > > https://flic.kr/p/2o9r2QY > > > > -- > > Norbert Kondla > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Norbert Kondla > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ > > > > > > -- Norbert Kondla Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#11169): https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11169 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/96059483/795800 Group Owner: NorWestLeps+<owner...> Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922/xyzzy [<lists...>] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --000000000000578fff05f17658e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I spent a lot of time going through the Cloak literat= ure and could not find anything that I considered<div>to be evidence of mig= ration in Cloaks.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir= =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 10:30 AM Crispin Guppy= <<a href=3D"mailto:<csguppy...>"><csguppy...></a>> wrote:<= br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e= x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"ms= g7705114834903887385"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-wor= d;"><div class=3D"m_7705114834903887385WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= ><span>The flight behaviour of presumed southward migrating cloaks in easte= rn Canada was described in </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family= :Arial,sans-serif">Gibo 1981 (attached). Presumed migrating cloaks on Long = island, NY (and many other species) are described by Shannon 1917 (attached= ). Very weak documentation, and there is apparently nothing else. <u></u><u= ></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f= amily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma= l"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Crispin Gupp= y<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 0pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Whitehorse, YT<u></u><u></u></span></p><p= class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"bor= der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb= (225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"= EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:TILS@groups.= io" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:TILS@groups.= io" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Norbert Ko= ndla<br><b>Sent:</b> January 4, 2023 7:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt= o:<TILS...>" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a><br><b>Cc:</b> desert= leps <<a href=3D"mailto:<desertleps...>" target=3D"_blank">desertle= <ps...></a>>; norwestleps <<a href=3D"mailto:norwestleps@groups.= io" target=3D"_blank"><norwestleps...></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: = [TILS] Cloak habitats<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">= <u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, I recall from past= literature review that there is substantial variation in the way that peop= le apply the<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">word 'migrati= on'; thus making it unclear just what the story really is. I don't = recall seeing any evidence for our<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"= MsoNormal">North American Cloaks engaging in migration as defined by long d= istance annual unidirectional movements.<br>But in Europe there has been do= cumentation of the real Cloaks having irregular mass movements over distanc= e;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">which I do not = consider to be migration.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma= l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 3, = 2023 at 10:32 PM Harry Pavulaan <<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>"= target=3D"_blank"><harrypav...></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></d= iv><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:non= e;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-lef= t:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div id=3D"m_7705114834903887385m_533207623953111= 1117edo-message"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert:<u></u><u></u></p= ></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cl= ass=3D"MsoNormal">I have only ever found Cloaks in mature deciduous forest = in the east, though twice I found larvae on Salix nigra in open, shrubby ha= bitats.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>= </u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are many reports along the = southern New England shoreline of migratory movement of Cloaks toward the s= outh and west when the Monarchs are migrating.=C2=A0 I have not seen this a= nd it may be a localized movement.=C2=A0 I have, however, witnessed Polygon= ia interrogationis migrating along the shoreline and P. comma migrating sou= th overland.=C2=A0 These also may be localized movements, as both do hibern= ate here.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<= u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harry<u></u><u></u></p></div><d= iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms= oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div><div id=3D"m_77051148349= 03887385m_5332076239531111117edo-original"><div><blockquote style=3D"border= -top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:6pt;margin-ri= ght:0cm"><div id=3D"m_7705114834903887385m_5332076239531111117edo-meta"><p = class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 3, 2023 at 8:46 AM,= Norbert Kondla <<a href=3D"mailto:<nkondla...>" target=3D"_blank">= <nkondla...></a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M= soNormal">Prior to August 2005 I had found Nymphalis antiopa hyperborea in = a variety of upland forest habitats and even in bits of riparian woodland/w= illow shrubbery of the North American prairie region. In August 2005 Ken Ph= ilip took Joe and I to the Bonanaza Creek bog near Fairbanks for some butte= rfly fun and there I was able to add spruce bog to the list of habitats use= d by Cloaks. Here are some pics; the sky was murky due to forest fire smoke= <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/= 2o9r2QY" target=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/2o9r2QY</a><br clear=3D"all"><= u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div>= <p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= ">Norbert Kondla<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Calgary, Albe= rta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><= p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/</a><u></= u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></di= v></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></= blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear= =3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>= </p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal">Norbert Kondla<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cal= gary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)<u></u><u></u></p></= div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/11= 8126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03= /</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></= u></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div>= </div> <p></p><p></p></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- = <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kon= dla<div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div><di= v><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank= ">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/</a><br></div><div><br></div>= </div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11169"= >View/Reply Online (#11169)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>?subject=3DRe:%2= 0Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20%5BDesertLeps%5D%20%5BTILS%5D%20Cloak%20habita= ts">Reply To Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<nkondla...>?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20%5BDesertLeps%5D%20%5BTILS%5D%20Clo= ak%20habitats">Reply To Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/96059483/795800">Mute T= his Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post">New Topic</a><br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/795800">Your Subscriptio= n</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:NorWestLeps+<owner...>">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [<lists...>]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000578fff05f17658e8-- |
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