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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:51:04 -0700
From: Norbert Kondla <nkondla...>
Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] [DesertLeps] [TILS] Cloak habitats

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Yes, I spent a lot of time going through the Cloak literature and could not
find anything that I considered
to be evidence of migration in Cloaks.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 10:30 AM Crispin Guppy <csguppy...> wrote:

> The flight behaviour of presumed southward migrating cloaks in eastern
> Canada was described in Gibo 1981 (attached). Presumed migrating cloaks
> on Long island, NY (and many other species) are described by Shannon 1917
> (attached). Very weak documentation, and there is apparently nothing else.
>
>
>
> Crispin Guppy
>
> Whitehorse, YT
>
>
>
> *From:* <TILS...> <TILS...> *On Behalf Of *Norbert Kondla
> *Sent:* January 4, 2023 7:48 AM
> *To:* <TILS...>
> *Cc:* desertleps <desertleps...>; norwestleps <
> <norwestleps...>
> *Subject:* Re: [TILS] Cloak habitats
>
>
>
> Yes, I recall from past literature review that there is substantial
> variation in the way that people apply the
>
> word 'migration'; thus making it unclear just what the story really is. I
> don't recall seeing any evidence for our
>
> North American Cloaks engaging in migration as defined by long distance
> annual unidirectional movements.
> But in Europe there has been documentation of the real Cloaks having
> irregular mass movements over distance;
>
> which I do not consider to be migration.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 10:32 PM Harry Pavulaan <harrypav...>
> wrote:
>
> Norbert:
>
>
>
> I have only ever found Cloaks in mature deciduous forest in the east,
> though twice I found larvae on Salix nigra in open, shrubby habitats.
>
>
>
> There are many reports along the southern New England shoreline of
> migratory movement of Cloaks toward the south and west when the Monarchs
> are migrating. I have not seen this and it may be a localized movement. I
> have, however, witnessed Polygonia interrogationis migrating along the
> shoreline and P. comma migrating south overland. These also may be
> localized movements, as both do hibernate here.
>
>
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2023 at 8:46 AM, Norbert Kondla <nkondla...> wrote:
>
> Prior to August 2005 I had found Nymphalis antiopa hyperborea in a variety
> of upland forest habitats and even in bits of riparian woodland/willow
> shrubbery of the North American prairie region. In August 2005 Ken Philip
> took Joe and I to the Bonanaza Creek bog near Fairbanks for some butterfly
> fun and there I was able to add spruce bog to the list of habitats used by
> Cloaks. Here are some pics; the sky was murky due to forest fire smoke
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2o9r2QY
>
>
>
> --
>
> Norbert Kondla
>
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Norbert Kondla
>
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/
>
>
>
>
>
>

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I spent a lot of time going through the Cloak literat=
ure and could not find anything that I considered<div>to be evidence of mig=
ration in Cloaks.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 10:30 AM Crispin Guppy=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<csguppy...>"><csguppy...></a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"ms=
g7705114834903887385"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-wor=
d;"><div class=3D"m_7705114834903887385WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span>The flight behaviour of presumed southward migrating cloaks in easte=
rn Canada was described in </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Arial,sans-serif">Gibo 1981 (attached). Presumed migrating cloaks on Long =
island, NY (and many other species) are described by Shannon 1917 (attached=
). Very weak documentation, and there is apparently nothing else. <u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Crispin Gupp=
y<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Whitehorse, YT<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"bor=
der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb=
(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:TILS@groups.=
io" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:TILS@groups.=
io" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Norbert Ko=
ndla<br><b>Sent:</b> January 4, 2023 7:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:<TILS...>" target=3D"_blank"><TILS...></a><br><b>Cc:</b> desert=
leps &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<desertleps...>" target=3D"_blank">desertle=
<ps...></a>&gt;; norwestleps &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:norwestleps@groups.=
io" target=3D"_blank"><norwestleps...></a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TILS] Cloak habitats<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, I recall from past=
literature review that there is substantial variation in the way that peop=
le apply the<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">word &#39;migrati=
on&#39;; thus making it unclear just what the story really is. I don&#39;t =
recall seeing any evidence for our<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">North American Cloaks engaging in migration as defined by long d=
istance annual unidirectional movements.<br>But in Europe there has been do=
cumentation of the real Cloaks having irregular mass movements over distanc=
e;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">which I do not =
consider to be migration.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 3, =
2023 at 10:32 PM Harry Pavulaan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<harrypav...>"=
target=3D"_blank"><harrypav...></a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:non=
e;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-lef=
t:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div id=3D"m_7705114834903887385m_533207623953111=
1117edo-message"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert:<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">I have only ever found Cloaks in mature deciduous forest =
in the east, though twice I found larvae on Salix nigra in open, shrubby ha=
bitats.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are many reports along the =
southern New England shoreline of migratory movement of Cloaks toward the s=
outh and west when the Monarchs are migrating.=C2=A0 I have not seen this a=
nd it may be a localized movement.=C2=A0 I have, however, witnessed Polygon=
ia interrogationis migrating along the shoreline and P. comma migrating sou=
th overland.=C2=A0 These also may be localized movements, as both do hibern=
ate here.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harry<u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div><div id=3D"m_77051148349=
03887385m_5332076239531111117edo-original"><div><blockquote style=3D"border=
-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:6pt;margin-ri=
ght:0cm"><div id=3D"m_7705114834903887385m_5332076239531111117edo-meta"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 3, 2023 at 8:46 AM,=
Norbert Kondla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:<nkondla...>" target=3D"_blank">=
<nkondla...></a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">Prior to August 2005 I had found Nymphalis antiopa hyperborea in =
a variety of upland forest habitats and even in bits of riparian woodland/w=
illow shrubbery of the North American prairie region. In August 2005 Ken Ph=
ilip took Joe and I to the Bonanaza Creek bog near Fairbanks for some butte=
rfly fun and there I was able to add spruce bog to the list of habitats use=
d by Cloaks. Here are some pics; the sky was murky due to forest fire smoke=
<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/=
2o9r2QY" target=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/2o9r2QY</a><br clear=3D"all"><=
u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">Norbert Kondla<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Calgary, Albe=
rta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0=
3/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/</a><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></=
blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=
=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Norbert Kondla<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cal=
gary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/11=
8126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03=
/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div>=
</div>




<p></p><p></p></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- =
<br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kon=
dla<div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div><di=
v><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank=
">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/</a><br></div><div><br></div>=
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