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| List: NorWest Leps Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:00:49 -0600 From: Norbert Kondla <nkondla...> Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Pontia occidentalis vs nelsoni |
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--000000000000973ac705f6ba4a63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a side by side using same year specimens: https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv Here is an old faded pair of nelsoni: https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa I don't have a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the spring brood of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different: https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5 So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and recognized) are from Pink Mtn https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821 https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760 On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM <tlpyle...> wrote: > Norbert, > > How do they differ? > > Thanks. Bob P. > > > > On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote: > > Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they are not > conspecific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a distributio= n > map that I have found interesting since it was published in 2001: > https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v > Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE > British Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of > insufficient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect t= he > latter. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in th= e > Rocky Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentified > as occidentalis. > I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collections > from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south. > I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to > clarify this situation. > > -- > Norbert Kondla > Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) > https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ > > >=20 > > --=20 Norbert Kondla Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#11274): https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11274 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800 Group Owner: NorWestLeps+<owner...> Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922= /xyzzy [<lists...>] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --000000000000973ac705f6ba4a63 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Here is a side by side using same year specimens:<div><a h= ref=3D"https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv">https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv</a><br></div><d= iv>Here is an old faded pair of nelsoni:</div><div><a href=3D"https://flic.= kr/p/26cuLMa">https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa</a><br></div><div>I don't have = a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the spring brood</div><d= iv>of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different:</div><div= ><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5">https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5</a></div><di= v>So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and recognized) are from P= ink Mtn</div><div><a href=3D"https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821"= >https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821</a><br></div><div><a href=3D= "https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760">https://inaturalist.ca/obse= rvations/150890760</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM <= ;<a href=3D"mailto:<tlpyle...>"><tlpyle...></a>> wro= te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style= =3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"> <p>Norbert,</p> <p>How do they differ?</p> <p>Thanks. Bob P.</p> <div>=C2=A0</div> <p><br></p> <p>On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding:0px 0.4em;border-left:2px solid = rgb(16,16,255);margin:0px"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they= are not conspecific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a dist= ribution map that I have found interesting since it was published in 2001:= =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v</a> <div>Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE= British Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of ins= ufficient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect the la= tter. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in the Ro= cky Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentified as = occidentalis.</div> <div>I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collecti= ons from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south.</div= > <div>I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to = clarify this situation.<br clear=3D"all"> <div>=C2=A0</div> <span>-- </span><br> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla <div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" rel=3D"noopen= er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/</a></div> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span cla= ss=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail= _signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla<div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2= =A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com= /photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118= 126948@N03/</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11274"= >View/Reply Online (#11274)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>?subject=3DRe:%2= 0Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20nelsoni">Reply To= Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<nkondla...>?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20nelson= i">Reply To Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800">Mute T= his Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post">New Topic</a><br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/795800">Your Subscriptio= n</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:NorWestLeps+<owner...>">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [<lists...>]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --000000000000973ac705f6ba4a63-- |
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