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| List: NorWest Leps Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:06:52 -0600 From: Norbert Kondla <nkondla...> Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Pontia occidentalis vs nelsoni |
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--00000000000036e9d405f6ba6049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I overlooked this old photo re the occidentalis and nelsoni---- https://flic.kr/p/286UKJw On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 3:01=E2=80=AFPM Norbert Kondla via groups.io <nkond= la=3D <telus.net...> wrote: > Here is a side by side using same year specimens: > https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv > Here is an old faded pair of nelsoni: > https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa > I don't have a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the sprin= g > brood > of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different: > https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5 > So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and recognized) are from > Pink Mtn > https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821 > https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760 > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM <tlpyle...> wrote: > >> Norbert, >> >> How do they differ? >> >> Thanks. Bob P. >> >> >> >> On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote: >> >> Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they are not >> conspecific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a distributi= on >> map that I have found interesting since it was published in 2001: >> https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v >> Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE >> British Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of >> insufficient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect = the >> latter. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in t= he >> Rocky Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentifie= d >> as occidentalis. >> I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collection= s >> from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south. >> I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to >> clarify this situation. >> >> -- >> Norbert Kondla >> Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ >> >> >> > > -- > Norbert Kondla > Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) > https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ > >=20 > > --=20 Norbert Kondla Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl) https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#11275): https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11275 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800 Group Owner: NorWestLeps+<owner...> Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922= /xyzzy [<lists...>] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --00000000000036e9d405f6ba6049 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">And I overlooked this old photo re the occidentalis and ne= lsoni----<div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/286UKJw">https://flic.kr/p/286UK= Jw</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 3:01=E2=80=AFPM Norbert Kondla via = <a href=3D"http://groups.io">groups.io</a> <nkondla=3D<a href=3D"mailto:= <telus.net...>"><telus.net...></a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here is a side by = side using same year specimens:<div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv" t= arget=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv</a><br></div><div>Here is an old= faded pair of nelsoni:</div><div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa</a><br></div><div>I don't have= a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the spring brood</div><= div>of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different:</div><di= v><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5" target=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/= Teg8b5</a></div><div>So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and rec= ognized) are from Pink Mtn</div><div><a href=3D"https://inaturalist.ca/obse= rvations/150890821" target=3D"_blank">https://inaturalist.ca/observations/1= 50890821</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://inaturalist.ca/observations/1= 50890760" target=3D"_blank">https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760</= a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM <<a href=3D"mailto:t= <lpyle...>" target=3D"_blank"><tlpyle...></a>> wrote= :<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.= 8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"= font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"> <p>Norbert,</p> <p>How do they differ?</p> <p>Thanks. Bob P.</p> <div>=C2=A0</div> <p><br></p> <p>On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding:0px 0.4em;border-left:2px solid = rgb(16,16,255);margin:0px"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they= are not conspecific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a dist= ribution map that I have found interesting since it was published in 2001:= =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v</a> <div>Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE= British Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of ins= ufficient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect the la= tter. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in the Ro= cky Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentified as = occidentalis.</div> <div>I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collecti= ons from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south.</div= > <div>I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to = clarify this situation.<br clear=3D"all"> <div>=C2=A0</div> <span>-- </span><br> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla <div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" rel=3D"noopen= er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/</a></div> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span>-- = </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla<div>Calgary, Al= berta, Canada=C2=A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div><div><a href=3D"https:= //www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flick= r.com/photos/118126948@N03/</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div> <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span cla= ss=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail= _signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla<div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada=C2= =A0 (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com= /photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118= 126948@N03/</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11275"= >View/Reply Online (#11275)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>?subject=3DRe:%2= 0Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20nelsoni">Reply To= Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<nkondla...>?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20nelson= i">Reply To Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800">Mute T= his Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post">New Topic</a><br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/795800">Your Subscriptio= n</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:NorWestLeps+<owner...>">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [<lists...>]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --00000000000036e9d405f6ba6049-- |
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