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| List: NorWest Leps Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 14:45:14 -0700 From: <tlpyle...> Subject: Re: [NorWestLeps] Pontia occidentalis vs nelsoni |
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--=_4358230138ac1e0ed5858e70be3950ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the images, Norbert. Always beautiful.=20 Given the spring/summer brood variation and the extreme variation within the species overall, I'm not sure I see the argument for a specific difference...but maybe that's just my poor powers of discrimination.=20 BP On 2023-03-12 2:06 pm, Norbert Kondla wrote: > And I overlooked this old photo re the occidentalis and nelsoni----=20 > https://flic.kr/p/286UKJw=20 >=20 > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 3:01=E2=80=AFPM Norbert Kondla via groups.io [1] = <nkondla=<3Dtelus.net...> wrote:=20 > Here is a side by side using same year specimens:=20 > https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv=20 > Here is an old faded pair of nelsoni:=20 > https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa=20 > I don't have a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the sprin= g brood=20 > of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different:=20 > https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5=20 > So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and recognized) are from P= ink Mtn=20 > https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821=20 > https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760=20 >=20 > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM <tlpyle...> wrote:=20 >=20 > Norbert,=20 >=20 > How do they differ?=20 >=20 > Thanks. Bob P. >=20 > On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote:=20 > Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they are not conspe= cific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a distribution map th= at I have found interesting since it was published in 2001: https://flic.kr= /p/2omG89v=20 > Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE Br= itish Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of insuff= icient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect the latte= r. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in the Rocky= Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentified as occ= identalis.=20 > I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collections= from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south.=20 > I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to cla= rify this situation. > --=20 >=20 > Norbert Kondla=20 > Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)=20 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/ --=20 Norbert Kondla=20 Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)=20 https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/=20 --=20 Norbert Kondla=20 Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)=20 https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/=20 =20 Links: ------ [1] http://groups.io [2] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11275 [3] https://groups.io/mt/97562746/4540190 [4] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post [5] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/4540190 [6] https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/8161845/4540190/1528877983/xyzzy -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#11276): https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11276 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800 Group Owner: NorWestLeps+<owner...> Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922= /xyzzy [<lists...>] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --=_4358230138ac1e0ed5858e70be3950ae Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3DUTF-8" /></head><body style=3D'font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New = Roman",Times,serif'> <p>Thanks for the images, Norbert. Always beautiful.</p> <p>Given the spring/summer brood variation and the extreme variation within= the species overall, I'm not sure I see the argument for a specific differ= ence...but maybe that's just my poor powers of discrimination.</p> <p>BP</p> <div> </div> <p><br /></p> <p>On 2023-03-12 2:06 pm, Norbert Kondla wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2= px solid; margin: 0"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ig= nored --> <div dir=3D"ltr">And I overlooked this old photo re the occidentalis and ne= lsoni---- <div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/286UKJw" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopene= r noreferrer">https://flic.kr/p/286UKJw</a></div> </div> <br /> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 3:01=E2=80=AF= PM Norbert Kondla via <a href=3D"http://groups.io" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D= "noopener noreferrer">groups.io</a> <nkondla=3D<a href=3D"mailto:telus.n= <et...>"><telus.net...></a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Here is a side by side using same year specimens: <div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopene= r noreferrer">https://flic.kr/p/26wWTgv</a></div> <div>Here is an old faded pair of nelsoni:</div> <div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopene= r noreferrer">https://flic.kr/p/26cuLMa</a></div> <div>I don't have a graphic of old faded occidentalis to compare but the sp= ring brood</div> <div>of occidentalis looks more like nelsoni - but still different:</div> <div><a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener= noreferrer">https://flic.kr/p/Teg8b5</a></div> <div>So far the farthest south nelsoni I have seen (and recognized) are fro= m Pink Mtn</div> <div><a href=3D"https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890821" target=3D"_b= lank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://inaturalist.ca/observations/15089= 0821</a></div> <div><a href=3D"https://inaturalist.ca/observations/150890760" target=3D"_b= lank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://inaturalist.ca/observations/15089= 0760</a></div> </div> <br /> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AF= PM <<a href=3D"mailto:<tlpyle...>"><tlpyle...></a>&g= t; wrote:</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',Times,serif;"= > <p>Norbert,</p> <p>How do they differ?</p> <p>Thanks. Bob P.</p> <div> </div> <p><br /></p> <p>On 2023-03-12 10:00 am, Norbert Kondla wrote:</p> <blockquote style=3D"padding: 0px 0.4em; border-left: 2px solid #1010ff; ma= rgin: 0px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe occidentalis and nelsoni are conspecific. Maybe they= are not conspecific. It is an open question for me. Here is link to a dist= ribution map that I have found interesting since it was published in 2001:&= nbsp;<a href=3D"https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopene= r noreferrer">https://flic.kr/p/2omG89v</a> <div>Note the clean distribution gap between occidentalis and nelsoni in NE= British Columbia. I wonder if it is real or if it is just a product of ins= ufficient collecting to determine the facts on the ground. I suspect the la= tter. I also wonder if there are records of nelsoni further south in the Ro= cky Mtns than shown on this map and they have been so far misidentified as = occidentalis.</div> <div>I confess that I have not yet taken the time to review my own collecti= ons from that region to see if I have some nelsoni from further south.</div= > <div>I would like to chat with anyone who has specimens that might help to = clarify this situation.<br clear=3D"all" /> <div> </div> <span>-- </span><br /> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla <div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_bl= ank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/</a></div> <div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p><br /></p> <p><br /></p> </blockquote> </div> <br clear=3D"all" /> <div> </div> <span>-- </span><br /> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla <div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_bl= ank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/</a></div> <div> </div> </div> </div> <p><br /></p> <p><br /></p> </blockquote> </div> <br clear=3D"all" /> <div> </div> <span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br /> <div class=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Norbert Kondla <div>Calgary, Alberta, Canada (elevation 1060 metres asl)</div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N03/" target=3D"_bl= ank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948@N0= 3/</a></div> <div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/message/11276"= >View/Reply Online (#11276)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<NorWestLeps...>?subject=3DRe:%2= 0Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20nelsoni">Reply To= Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:<tlpyle...>?subject=3DP= rivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BNorWestLeps%5D%20Pontia%20occidentalis%20vs%20ne= lsoni">Reply To Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/97562746/795800">Mute T= his Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/post">New Topic</a><br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/editsub/795800">Your Subscriptio= n</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:NorWestLeps+<owner...>">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/NorWestLeps/leave/4559582/795800/778100922/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [<lists...>]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --=_4358230138ac1e0ed5858e70be3950ae-- |
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