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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: \<hpazures...>\ (via carolinaleps Mailing List) <carolinaleps...>
Subject: Helicata Satyr

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Removal of the Helicta Satyr as a species by Pelham (via Butterflies of Ame=
rica) was premature.=C2=A0 This was based on a paper by John Calhoun, which=
questioned whether the original illustration of Helicta Satyr represented =
a species or just a variant illustration of Georgia Satyr.=C2=A0 Ron Gatrel=
le "elevated" Neonympha helicta to species rank in his 1998 paper as TTR 1(=
8).=C2=A0 Pelham followed Calhoun, though Calhoun simply said more work was=
needed.=C2=A0=C2=A0
In conversations with Nick Grishin, his lab recently performed extensive ge=
nomic analysis of the Neonympha Satyrs throughout the eastern U.S.=C2=A0 Th=
ey found that Neonympha broke down into three distinct clades: mitchelli, a=
reaolatus, and helicta.=C2=A0 Three species.
My point here is that, even the "experts" make premature conclusions.=C2=A0=
Mistakes that reverberate thought subsequent literature and the bigger web=
sites.=C2=A0 My suggestion is that folks continue to report/photograph what=
appears to be Helicta Satyr.=C2=A0 Simply put, it is intermediate between =
Georgia Satyr and Mitchell's Satyr.=C2=A0 Mitchell's has round spots; Georg=
ia has elongated "banana" spots; Helicta has egg-shaped spots.=C2=A0 Some H=
elicta individuals may even appear like Mitchell's Satyr.
Yes, some individuals are difficult to place.=C2=A0 This does not necessari=
ly mean two species are conspecific.=C2=A0 Keep in mind that, with closely-=
related sibling species, there may be individual variation in either specie=
s that closely resembles the other.
Harry Pavulaan=

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<html><head></head><body><div class="yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:arial;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">All:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Removal of the Helicta Satyr as a species by Pelham (via Butterflies of America) was premature.&nbsp; This was based on a paper by John Calhoun, which questioned whether the original illustration of Helicta Satyr represented a species or just a variant illustration of Georgia Satyr.&nbsp; Ron Gatrelle "elevated" Neonympha helicta to species rank in his 1998 paper as TTR 1(8).&nbsp; Pelham followed Calhoun, though Calhoun simply said more work was needed.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In conversations with Nick Grishin, his lab recently performed extensive genomic analysis of the Neonympha Satyrs throughout the eastern U.S.&nbsp; They found that Neonympha broke down into three distinct clades: mitchel
li, areaolatus, and helicta.&nbsp; Three species.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">My point here is that, even the "experts" make premature conclusions.&nbsp; Mistakes that reverberate thought subsequent literature and the bigger websites.&nbsp; My suggestion is that folks continue to report/photograph what appears to be Helicta Satyr.&nbsp; Simply put, it is intermediate between Georgia Satyr and Mitchell's Satyr.&nbsp; Mitchell's has round spots; Georgia has elongated "banana" spots; Helicta has egg-shaped spots.&nbsp; Some Helicta individuals may even appear like Mitchell's Satyr.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes, some individuals are difficult to place.&nbsp; This does not necessarily mean two species are conspecific.&nbsp; Keep in mind that, with closely-related sibling species, there may be individual variation in either species that closely resembles the other.</div><di
v dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Harry Pavulaan</div></div></body></html>
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